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Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by kmeisthax »

comboy wrote: post #156
alexb_ wrote: post #35

If someone released a chatGPT/characterAI with NSFW content enabled it would eat into a big share of their users (and for characterAI, maybe take all of them). Seriously, look into what people are posting about when it comes to characterAI, and it's 80% "here's how to get around NSFW filters". Unsure why nobody is taking this very very obvious hole in AI tech.

What's with the NSFW need? I'd understand if this is some image generator, but here? Is it some sexting, "romance", or is NSFW about something else altogether?

A very large subset of the people using generative AI are people using it for porn. And the people who make those AI models do not want them being used for porn.

Porn and AI is... problematic. Do you remember deepfakes? And how people used them first and foremost to swap other people's heads onto porn actors for the purpose of blackmail and harassment? Yeah. They don't want a repeat of that. Society has very specific demands of the people who make porn - i.e. that everyone involved is a consenting adult. AI does not care about age or consent.

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Post by cubefox »

flangola7 wrote: post #281
alexb_ wrote: post #35

If someone released a chatGPT/characterAI with NSFW content enabled it would eat into a big share of their users (and for characterAI, maybe take all of them). Seriously, look into what people are posting about when it comes to characterAI, and it's 80% "here's how to get around NSFW filters". Unsure why nobody is taking this very very obvious hole in AI tech.

At least for AI image generators it is a giant liability. As of two years ago AI-generated CSAM that is indistinguishable from original photographic CSAM is considered equally criminal. If users can spawn severely illegal content at will using your product you will find yourself in a boiling cauldron 30 seconds after going live. Stable diffusion no longer uses even adult NSFW material for the training dataset because…

I realize this is a highly taboo topic, but I think there are studies which suggest that access to (traditional) pornography reduces frequency of rape. So maybe Stable Diffusion could actually reduce the rate of abuse? (Disclaimer: I know nothing about the empirical research here, I just say the right answer isn't obvious.)

Edit: It seems also that language models are a very different topics, since they block any erotic writing outright.

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Post by ac29 »

samwillis wrote: post #70
naillo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like FTX-supported. They got half a billion in investment from them according to an earlier blog post by Anthropic.

I believe I read somewhere that that investment may have to be returned.

The article says the shares are expected to be sold as part of the FTX bankruptcy process.

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Post by sharemywin »

xp84 wrote: post #216
sharemywin wrote: post #94

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crypto + NSFW generative AI = ???? that's not going to lead to a whole lot of black market images.

It certainly stretches the bounds of reason for me that you could put a person in an isolation chamber with a powerful computer with no network connection, and after they type a few words into it, if the output of the computer has certain qualities, they are now a felon and the output is illegal to possess. But this seems like the world the “AI-regulators” seem to want.

you don't think it would be problematic for someone to create deep fake images of some ones kids in explicit sexual positions?

I certainly think if the parents found out about it and the law wouldn't do anything about it the parents would take the law into their own hands.

I'm sorry if this wasn't phrased very well. I just didn't know how else to make my point with out be very specific.

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Post by dTal »

kalkin wrote: post #268
dTal wrote: post #190

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I find that Claude is more conversational (better fine tuning), but not as smart as even ChatGPT. Prompt: The original titles and release years in the Harry Potter series are: Philosopher's Stone (1997) Chamber of Secrets (1998) Prisoner of Azkaban (1999) Goblet of Fire (2000) Order of the Phoenix (2003) Half-Blood Prince (2005) Deathly Hallows (2007) Given this, generate a new Harry Potter title, using only the word…

ChatGPT is more comparable to what Quora/Poe calls Claude+ - slower/more expensive/smarter. Claude-instant is closer to GPT-turbo in that tradeoff space.

Both bots are free on poe.com, so one is not more expensive than the other.

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Post by anentropic »

mike_hearn wrote: post #313
anentropic wrote: post #288

If Apple would wake up to what's happening with llama.cpp etc then I don't see such a market in paying for remote access to big models via API, though it's currently the only game in town. Currently a Macbook has a Neural Engine that is sitting idle 99% of the time and only suitable for running limited models (poorly documented, opaque rules about what ops can be accelerated, a black box compiler [1] and an apparent…

If I were Apple I'd be thinking about the following issues with that strategy: 1. That RAM isn't empty, it's being used by apps and the OS. Fill up 64GB of RAM with an LLM and there's nothing left for anything else. 2. 64GB probably isn't enough for competitive LLMs anyway. 3. Inferencing is extremely energy intensive, but the MacBook / Apple Silicon brand is partly about long battery life. 4. Weights are expensive t…

But right now what incentive have I to buy a new laptop? I got this 16GB M1 MBA two years ago and it's literally everything I need, always feels fast, silent etc

1. the idea would be that now there is a reason to buy loads more RAM, whereas currently the market for 64GB is pretty niche

2. 64GB is a big laptop today, in a few years time that will be small. And LLaMA 65B int4 quantized should fit comfortably

4. LLMs will be a commodity. There will be a free one

6. LLMs seem to avoid the need for finetuning by virtue of their size - what we see now with the largest models is you just do prompt engineering. Making use of personal data is a case of Langchain + vectorstores (or however the future of that approach pans out)

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Post by dtagames »

dpflan wrote: post #110
rebolek wrote: post #84

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There may have been a disagreement, but now they're focused on profit, as everybody else. From the same article: “Anthropic has been heavily focused on research for the first year and a half of its existence, but we have been convinced of the necessity of commercialization, which we fully committed to in September [2022],” the pitch deck reads. “We’ve developed a strategy for go-to-market and initial product speciali…

This is hilarious to me, in that the disgruntled departure just did a 180… how long until the next disgruntled spin-out for higher reasons chases the dollar too…

Everybody in the chip business was a spin-off from Fairchild. This is pretty common when a huge, new tech comes along.

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Post by bobbyi »

xena wrote: post #40
alexb_ wrote: post #35

If someone released a chatGPT/characterAI with NSFW content enabled it would eat into a big share of their users (and for characterAI, maybe take all of them). Seriously, look into what people are posting about when it comes to characterAI, and it's 80% "here's how to get around NSFW filters". Unsure why nobody is taking this very very obvious hole in AI tech.

The main reason why companies don't allow NSFW content is because of puritan payment processors that see that stuff and then go absolute sicko mode and lock people out of the traditional finance system.

It's also because the companies are backed by VCs. VCs get their money from limited partners like pension funds who don't want their money invested in porn.

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Post by nemothekid »

cubefox wrote: post #130
xena wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason why companies don't allow NSFW content is because of puritan payment processors that see that stuff and then go absolute sicko mode and lock people out of the traditional finance system.

It is amazing that in the year 2023, where things are possible that were science fiction until recently, we still rely on private payment processors, credit card companies, which extract fees for a service that doesn't have any technical necessity anymore. I think the reason is just inertia. They work well enough in most cases, and the fees aren't so high as to be painful, so there is little pressure to switch to som…

>we still rely on private payment processors, credit card companies, which extract fees for a service that doesn't have any technical necessity anymore

The technical necessity is there; for your chase-backed visa card to pull money from chase and deposit it into your shop's citibank, there needs to be some infrastructure. Whether a private company or the government provides this infrastructure is another story.

(Although if the government provided you could argue that there would likely be even more political headaches that prevent what goes across the wire).

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Post by sharemywin »

Rufbdbskrufb473 wrote: post #244
xena wrote: post #136

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Taking all payment in Ethereum doesn't matter when you have to pay for servers and domain names in fiat.

Servers and domains are one of the easiest things to buy with crypto. I actually just migrated away from Hetzner last week (for unrelated reasons) to two new providers to whom I'm paying crypto (no KYC required) based on this list: https://bitcoin-vps.com/

would be nice if you could pay in your own token.
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