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Re: Coinbase issued Wells notice by SEC

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>but probably moot if these "third party service providers" are just doing the busywork of interacting with the protocol, on behalf of Coinbase, on behalf of the user. I'm sorry, you can't just use the word protocol to change the first principles of the interaction. A bank is just doing the busywork of interacting with a borrower on behalf of me. >Nobody can "stake better" and expect more rewards out of it. This is s…

>you can't just use the word protocol to change the first principles of the interaction. A bank is just doing the busywork of interacting with a borrower on behalf of me Unless Coinbase Earn is fraudulent — maybe it is, I don't know — I would argue you can and should. In the case of Ethereum, Coinbase is providing an IT service. In the case of [other protocol], Coinbase is hiring a contractor to provide an IT service…

> These claims demonstrate a profound, ignorance of how these protocols work — something I'm calling into attention not to berate you personally, but so that people who stumble across this thread later appropriately discount your claims.

Please enlighten me then? I’d love to understand why they call it “rewards” and “penalties” if you can’t be good or bad at it.

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The key concept is the following:

Rewards are given for actions that help the network reach consensus.

Minor penalties are given for inadvertant actions (or inactions) that hinder consensus.

And major penalities—or slashings—are given for malicious actions.

How can you read the above and make the point that everyone gets the same expected benefit from staking? Were you unaware of the minor penalties point?

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And to be clear, since I think you're way missing my point here - consensus requires the potential for diversity, otherwise, if validation is deterministic (as you imply), then there is absolutely no need to decentralize it.

p.s. I won't criticize you personally, but I will remind you that when one feels like someone really doesn't understand something, there's a decent possibility they themselves don't.

Also, to lighten the mood - isn't it funny that ETH spells things wrong on its website so often? If only there was decentralized spell-check!

Re: Coinbase issued Wells notice by SEC

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If you think any of this is analogous to a pokemon card or people collecting pokemon cards, your understanding of what is going on right now is pretty much useless.

They're identical in terms of all legal tests for an asset being a security, your insults notwithstanding. And if you contend otherwise, it would be constructive that you articulate why instead of engaging in more low-brow sophistry.

again, they're not - i don't know which youtuber told you that, but you need to go back and re-think. It's not a personal insult to tell someone they're confused. You're confused. There isn't a generous interpretation on the planet that makes your analogy useful.

Re: Coinbase issued Wells notice by SEC

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There are no loans directly involved in the functionality of the Coinbase Earn product, and staking-as-a-service is just that: an IT service, not a security.

We’ll time and this argument are a flat circle then. I guess my final question is: do you think there is any risk to a user of those third party service providers going under and not returning capital (either due to slashing risk or normal business risk)?

>do you think there is any risk to a user of those third party service providers going under and not returning capital (either due to slashing risk or normal business risk)?

Of course, but it's more like an email provider going under and you losing your inbox than a bad mortgage (which isn't to say that it's exactly the same, because blockchain assets are practically treated as currency, but clearly doesn't map onto the traditional understanding of securitization).

Re: Coinbase issued Wells notice by SEC

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Just reading this and I don't understand how anyone would say this passes the Howey Test. This is clearly a security. The only possible debate is whether there is an expectation of profit, but I can't see anyone seriously entertaining that debate -- there was an ICO! What do you think the median person buying into that ICO was expecting? "I'm going to spend a few thousands dollars on this token that might have utilit…

If this is a security, then so is pokemon. This is a token sale. It never called itself an "ICO". The whitepaper never once claimed the token is expected to profit its owners, and repeatedly warns of the risk of loss. It explicitly says the paper is not an investment prospectus as well. >>What do you think the median person buying into that ICO was expecting? "I'm going to spend a few thousands dollars on this token…

The difference between pokemon and this is the common enterprise component. This is very obviously a common enterprise; pokemon is very obviously not.

Re: Coinbase issued Wells notice by SEC

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Execs are required to be on schedules, and the norm for employees being paid in equity is to sell to diversify. There's nothing abnormal about this.

Just look at the timing of when buying stopped: https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/163868446695584972...

I don't think you understand the concept of a schedule.

Re: Coinbase issued Wells notice by SEC

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Why would people buy it?

That’s the same question people were asking 14 years ago when bitcoin made it debut, and unfortunately still today on this site.

If you’re buying it because it “could up”, it’s a security. That was the point.
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