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How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry?

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Re: How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry?

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That’s a pretty solid ‘as long as no one says the emperor has no clothes, he is fully clothed’ line though? If it was a short period of time (a week?) this was going on, then sure. The emperor darting to the bathroom without his clothes on is unlikely to be a scandal after all. But even if fed rates dropped tomorrow those bonds will not recover to par, because inflation on their principal amounts has already happened…

> That’s a pretty solid ‘as long as no one says the emperor has no clothes, he is fully clothed’ line though? This is banking in general though. Any bank will struggle if a significant portion of deposits suddenly outflow. SVB was unique in that it had relatively large balances concentrated in relatively few depositors. This made it especially susceptible to a bank run. Of course they knew this and should have handle…

Eh, kinda.

There is the run from ‘can’t liquidate fast enough’, and there is the run from ‘can liquidate fast enough, but don’t have enough value if they do’.

The first one any bank is susceptible to, the second one is a bad bank issue - and it means that any sustained rate of deposit outflow is going to eventually implode it, as they’ll run out of value at some point regardless of how slow the draw down is.

That’s because that second scenario is essentially forced ‘mark to market’, which unlike ‘stress tests’ and regulator driven accounting standards, can’t be gamed. That’s the real issue here.

SVB was in the last category, but everyone is pretending it was in the first category because this problem is systemic due to fed reductions in interest rates for so long. We’re trying really hard to not look behind the curtain because it’s too scary.

The really interesting thing is easy fed cash has caused this issue globally. Global interest rates have been suppressed everywhere the USD touches, even China. Now that they’re ending, the bill coming due is a global one.

That’s why the fed is willing to take all these bonds at par for cash - they recognize they created this mess and don’t want it to spread, as it will implode the system and break the orderly turnaround they are trying to accomplish.

Pain spread over years in ways the system can absorb without causing an out of control spiral is the goal. Retirees eating dogfood (or starving), and mobs of angry unemployed 20 something men burning cities are the thing they are trying to avoid.

Re: How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry?

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People seem to have a really hard time with the idea that, in the SVB debacle, the system worked effectively and pretty much the way it was planned to. It's not even clear what people are upset about. There's an article on the front page of The Atlantic today about how angry we should be about SVB, and if you read it, it's hard to figure out who those angry people should be. Equity is getting zeroed out. Management w…

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Re: How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry?

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post #185

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I dont know if I agree with your assessment. > Equity is getting zeroed out. Management was fired. Depositors were made whole almost immediately. SVB's assets are apparently not impaired; SVB would have held them to maturity had the bank run not happened, and now somebody else will instead. Part of the problem is that the system that enabled them to end up in this situation is the erosion of Dodd-Frank. The systemic…

> Part of the problem is that the system that enabled them to end up in this situation is the erosion of Dodd-Frank. My understanding is that SVB would have met the Tier 1 capital requirements even without the 2018 revisions to Dodd-Frank, for the reason digitaltrees said: The bonds it purchased are considered highly liquid and safe.

Replying to myself: SVB's Tier 1 capital ratio was 12%, among the highest for US regional banks. https://www.morningstar.com/articles/1144363/which-bank-stoc...>

Re: How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry?

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No, that is not known at this time. It will take a few years to fully wind down the assets so as of right now no one knows if recovery will be 100% of deposits (in which case general creditors may get some money). The only thing we can be certain of is shareholders are wiped out and general creditors will take a significant haircut.

I is pretty clear they are underwater from their SEC filings. You know what exactly what their assets are and what their the fair market value of their securities. They reported the fair market value of their underwater loans. I guess the FED could have bullied some banks into buying the securities at a higher rate, but the books themselves are transparent.

The market fluctuates. If those assets are held to maturity most will payoff without losses... even some of the subprime mortgage dreck from 2007 ended up recovering, SVB's assets are far less impaired.

Re: How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry?

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post #317

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I don’t follow the math. A bank failure is a bank failure. There’s no difference to the FDIC between 100 depositors with $250k swept across 100 banks and 1 depositor with $25m.

If that one depositor with 25m banks only at the bank that fails, FDIC is on the hook for all 25m. If the deposit is 250k across 100 banks, and only 1 bank fails, FDIC is only on the hook for at most the 250k. Now multiply that by number of depositors. It's RAID for banks. You're gaining fault tolerance by decreasing the impact of any particular failure.

>It's RAID for banks.

Just wanted to say this is such a great analogy. Thanks.

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