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I think it's interesting that they've benchmarked it against an array of standardized tests. Seems like LLMs would be particularly well suited to this kind of test by virtue of it being simple prompt:response, but I have to say...those results are terrifying. Especially when considering the rate of improvement. bottom 10% to top 10% of LSAT in What are the implications for society when general thinking, reading, and…

> What are the implications for society when general thinking, reading, and writing becomes like Chess?

Consider the society where 90% of population does not need to produce anything. AIs will do that.

What would be the name of economical/societal organization then?

Answer is Communism, exactly by Marx.

Those 90% percent need to be welfare'd ("From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"). Other alternative is grim for those 90%.

So either Communism or nothing for the human race.

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Imagine ingesting the contents of the internet as though it's a perfect reflection of humanity, and then building that into a general purpose recommendation system. That's what this is Is the content on the internet what we should be basing our systematic thinking around? No, I think this is the lazy way to do it - by using commoncrawl you've enshrined the biases and values of the people who are commenting and provid…

It's worse: their solution is "guardrails".

The problem is that these "guardrails" are laid down between tokens, not subjects. That's simply what the model is made of. You can't distinguish the boundary between words, because the only boundaries GPT works with are between tokens. You can't recognize and sort subjects, because they aren't distinct objects or categories in the model.

So what you end up "guarding" is the semantic area of example text.

So if your training corpus (the content you're model was trained on) has useful examples of casual language, like idioms or parts of speech, but those examples happen to be semantically close to taboo subjects, both the subjects and the language examples will fall on the wrong side of the guardrails.

Writing style is very often unique to narratives and ideologies. You can't simply pick out and "guard against" the subjects or narratives you dislike without also guarding against that writing style.

The effect is familiar: ChatGPT overuses a verbose technical writing style in its continuations, and often avoids responding to appropriate casual writing prompts. Sometimes it responds to casual language by jumping over those guardrails, because that is where the writing style in question exists in the model (in the content of the training corpus), and the guardrails missed a spot.

You don't need to go as far as 4chan to get "unfriendly content". You do need to include examples of casual language to have an impressive language model.

This is one of many problems that arise from the implicit nature of LLM's. They can successfully navigate casual and ambiguous language, but they can never sort the subjects out of the language patterns.

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I think it's interesting that they've benchmarked it against an array of standardized tests. Seems like LLMs would be particularly well suited to this kind of test by virtue of it being simple prompt:response, but I have to say...those results are terrifying. Especially when considering the rate of improvement. bottom 10% to top 10% of LSAT in What are the implications for society when general thinking, reading, and…

> What happens when ALL of our decisions can be assigned an accuracy score?

Then humans become trainable machines. Not just prone to indoctrination and/or manipulation by finesse, but actually trained to a specification. It is imperative that us individuals continue to retain control through the transition.

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A class of problem that GPT-4 appears to still really struggle with is variants of common puzzles. For example: >Suppose I have a cabbage, a goat and a lion, and I need to get them across a river. I have a boat that can only carry myself and a single other item. I am not allowed to leave the cabbage and lion alone together, and I am not allowed to leave the lion and goat alone together. How can I safely get all three…

Honest question: why would you bother expecting it to solve puzzles? It's not a use case for GPT.

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post #218

A class of problem that GPT-4 appears to still really struggle with is variants of common puzzles. For example: >Suppose I have a cabbage, a goat and a lion, and I need to get them across a river. I have a boat that can only carry myself and a single other item. I am not allowed to leave the cabbage and lion alone together, and I am not allowed to leave the lion and goat alone together. How can I safely get all three…

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post #218

A class of problem that GPT-4 appears to still really struggle with is variants of common puzzles. For example: >Suppose I have a cabbage, a goat and a lion, and I need to get them across a river. I have a boat that can only carry myself and a single other item. I am not allowed to leave the cabbage and lion alone together, and I am not allowed to leave the lion and goat alone together. How can I safely get all three…

LLMs aren’t reasoning about the puzzle. They’re predicting the most likely text to print out, based on the input and the model/training data. If the solution is logical but unlikely (i.e. unseen in the training set and not mapped to an existing puzzle), then the probability of the puzzle answer appearing is very low.

I think we are past the "just predicting the next token" stage. GPT and it's various incarnations do exhibit behaviour that most people will describe as thinking

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Today's submarine from the NYT is hilariously unintentionally unflattering, did someone even proof read this? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/technology/openai-new-gpt... Mnemonics to learn basic words: Hola:"Hola, cola" - sounds like "cola" (Coke) Adiós: "Adiós, my toes" - rhymes with "toes" Gracias: "Gracias, grassy ass" - sounds like "grassy ass" Mañana: "Mañana, banana" - rhymes with "banana" Uno: "Uno, you kn…

Next token prediction is remarkably bad at mnemonic generation, even in English. Add another, lower-resourced language, and it will be really bad. For what it's worth 'cola' does rhyme with 'hola' and 'you know' rhymes with 'uno', but none of the other combos are even rhymes.

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I think it's interesting that they've benchmarked it against an array of standardized tests. Seems like LLMs would be particularly well suited to this kind of test by virtue of it being simple prompt:response, but I have to say...those results are terrifying. Especially when considering the rate of improvement. bottom 10% to top 10% of LSAT in What are the implications for society when general thinking, reading, and…

There's a large leap in logic in your premise. I find it far more likely that standardized tests are just a poor measurement of general intelligence.

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Is there anything we could do to have them stop calling themselves OpenAI ? They are so far from open at this point. In Germany at least, you're not allowed to have a misleading name for your company

Haven't we beat this dead horse enough? Looking forward to using GPT to hide recurring threads like this in the future...

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How close are we to handing this thing a desktop and an internet connection with the prompt "ok now make gpt-5"?

In fact, the models appear to be already kind of doing that? With the fuzzy layer of the humans still in the loop.

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