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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…

You’re not using ChatGPT correctly.

In the context of replacing a search engine, it is the correct use.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Microsoft can botch their search without tanking the company. Google cannot.

Bingo. Microsoft isn't likely to win the search battle against Google. However, they can (and seemingly already have) disrupted search as a go-to web destination/feature.

Google was worried Facebook would disrupt their Adwords dominance by having social ads.

ChatGPT, if successful (a large IF), will disrupt search and probably a dozen other business models.

I'm awaiting the true counterstrike from Google, not this initial flub.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…

I think of these tools as "first draft writers". You can't rely on OpenAI's GPT models to do your research for you or replace knowledge of a particular domain, but they significantly accelerate the initial content drafting process. Then you edit and fact-check and adapt, as you would anyway, but you've cut out much of the time-consuming grind of getting words on the page.

It's more like a pre-draft from what I've seen. But for an area I know, I can absolutely see something like ChatGPT throwing 500 words down on some topic and generating some explanatory boilerplate about something like what a service mesh is. I'll take out some things that I don't quite agree with, give it more of a "voice," maybe add some data/quotes/links/etc.

It's not going to write me something I'll hand to an editor. But for certain things, it could definitely give me a head start relative to a blank sheet of paper.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…

> Google needs a war-time CEO

Do you know that "war-time" is a banned phrase in Google, because it is just so f*@$ offensive? In the end, words are weapons used by Nazis. We need 1000 Gebru to do things ethically in Google /s

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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With 150,000 employees, you can write an article saying "Google employees say X ..." regarding pretty much any subject under the sun. So why was this particular article written, which refers to .002% of the company?

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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with lang-chain and tooling, these problems will likely quickly shrink. imagine where we'll be just two papers down the line!

Everyone in this thread replying to npalli gets it. I am getting more and more skilled in using it everyday. I feel like I have a third lobe of my brain. There are largely three groups of people 1) ChatWhat? 2) It only makes bullshit! 3) OMG, this amazing, and scary and amazing, and useful. Oh wow...

I think there's also a pretty big group of us who find that it is today a moderately useful tool for certain types of things but isn't really transformative in general.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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post #179

(Disclaimer: Google employee, I don’t work on Bard, views my own, etc.) I don’t think either Bing Chat or Bard is ready to be released widely. You need a certain mindset to be able to wring value out of them, and most normal users will not think this way. That being said, it’s probably fine to release these tools to enthusiastic early adopters who understand how to use them.

I think Google internally has a different perception as to the quality of their services vs. the general public and especially tech enthusiasts. Your comment about 'a certain mindset' reminds me that I still[1] have to do exactly that when using Google to try to find anything. Also, whatever happened to just slapping 'beta' on the product and calling it good to roll out? I'm only half kidding as the issue wasn't that…

Somewhat related. But the way "the average person" enters queries is not how engineers would enter it. The average person already uses somewhat natural language queries that Google answers. While I (and probably others in the tech field) would go for the keywords.

e.g, my wife and family members would enter:

* "Distance from Toronto to vancouver" * "How old is the universe" * "What is the capital of Belgium"

I'd enter:

* "Toronto vancouver distance" * "Universe age" * "Capital Belgium"

etc.. you get the point. So for those, I think the ChatGPT approach of "ask question in natural language, get natural language response" is actually quite attractive. Provided it's not outright hallucinating the answer

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