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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #278

This is very good news for us as consumers. We don't want anyone of the players to dominate this field, and we want the service to be as cheap as possible, ideally free.

API access isn't what we want. We want to run those models ourselves.

Almost all players in this field publish their work. If need arises we will be able to reproduce them, but only large company will be able to run the models cost efficiently, and there're a lot of scale effects here.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the busy mock-up in TFA I don’t think it’ll take 100,000 engineers to beat them.

As far as I've read, DuckDuckGo doesn't have 100,000 engineers.

No but they don’t have a search engine either. They mostly use bing.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Maybe the way Google will know what you want before you ask for it is by showing you ads to manufacture demand.

Google wants to serve you

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to ad buyers.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

Maybe what they mean is Google Search killers?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because while Google has been researching, OpenAI has been productizing. We will have to judge it once we get access to Bard, but it’s possible Google is years behind on creating a chat model that won’t spew toxic waste, as GPT-3 did when it was first released a few years ago.

Not spewing toxic waste is actually a big part of what Google has spent years working on here. The fact that someone else released the first such product allows them to do it too without solving the problem with less media flak. Productionizing this stuff is where Google gets the most advantage because they have the hardware and software efficiencies that comes form years of experience training and running inference…

Yeah I keep thinking about how different the reception to ChatGPT would have been if it were released by Google. People would be way more focused on how you can make it spout total nonsense with supreme confidence. (Which imo is the major flaw in all these ML models.)

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #206

I’m curious to hear why Google isn’t going to win in this AI arms race. The way I see it, Google: * is effectively the gateway to the internet, owning the most popular website in the world, mobile OS, and browser * has infinite LIVE data, both unstructured and structured (knowledge graph) * has infinite compute resources * employs the world’s best AI scientists and invests heavily in AI * has decade(s) of experience…

One possibility is that they get sued by 1000's of companies for "stealing their knowledge". Bogged down in the courts forever a la MS antitrust. Even though all the other LLM services will be indexing the same data, Google will be the ones that bear the brunt of the lawsuits because they are a rich target. Kind of like the Yelp lawsuit but on steroids.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #302
post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the busy mock-up in TFA I don’t think it’ll take 100,000 engineers to beat them.

As far as I've read, DuckDuckGo doesn't have 100,000 engineers.

They’re leveraging Microsoft’s engineering.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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I’ll admit I don’t know a ton about stage of the art AI techniques (just a couple grad level AI courses in college), but one of the things I don’t love about ChatGPT is that it doesn’t really “know” things and essentially just word vomits based on probabilities. This manifests in it often getting things wrong, though I would argue it was never intended to answer questions with any level of detail. I feel like a killer application of LLMs would be to wrap a knowledge graph similar to what Google has already. Hopefully that’s what they did with LAMDA.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #9

>AI can be helpful in these moments, synthesizing insights for questions where there’s no one right answer. Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search that distill complex information and multiple perspectives into easy-to-digest formats, so you can quickly understand the big picture and learn more from the web: whether that’s seeking out additional perspectives, like blogs from people who play both piano and gui…

I like that, and that's the one thing I enjoy most about ChatGPT, but the problem with this scenario is that it breaks the web. If a search engine can give me all the answers I want, then there’s no point in visiting sites anymore, aside for e-commerce. So if you have a site you wouldn’t want the next AI search engine to crawl your content because you get no traffic back. So either they find a way to give traffic back, or soon enough there will be no content to provide through an AI search engine.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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I do not follow regularly on the ads market and technology around it, so I might be asking a question with an obvious answer. What is changing here as a user for me ? I search on Google for `x` or `y` and it shows me a list of resources available on the internet. I scour through them and pick a link that relates to what I am looking for. > you’ll see AI-powered features in Search that distill complex information and…

To me that sounds like an evolution of the cards/widgets that show at the top for certain searches.
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