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I can't find any details (at least in TFA), what exactly was this joke? I would not trust a private company's judgement on what is "offensive", given the innumerable instances of them proving incapable of accurate judgement of such a thing using automated systems.
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That have never mattered to the mob. Anyone who questions this new religion must be silenced.
I don’t really see a mob on this one. Twitch has a platform policy that they enforced - probably a little too heavily here. Is there some sort of community outcry elsewhere? I think most people who understand the context of the clip (AI-generated Seinfeld) — even if, like me, their hackles rise at any kind of possibly-transphobic material - would think this was pretty tame/kinda funny.
So comedy cannot be offensive anymore? When did that happen?
Comedians got together and made a documentary about the modern American society's intolerance to things that might offend in 2015, so I'd wager if we're trying to carbon date it it's at least sometime before that. It seems to have accelerated since then though * Can We Take a Joke? - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4324916/
We've been sensitized to so many more words than in, say, the year 2000, that even for one who doesn't have a dog in this fight, watching early '00s media (let alone earlier) can be distracting because it's hard not to notice the now-red-flag words or topics that are thrown around casually—especially in standup, or on comedy TV shows. It's been a pretty fast shift, and I'd put the start at the tail end of the '00s or early '10s.
I mean, hell, just look at where mainstream Democrats stood on gay rights in the early '00s, for that matter. We've gone from, "gay marriage? I dunno, that might be a tad too far" to "we must protect trans rights" in a remarkably short span. I dunno, maybe the OG civil rights era had a similar feel of The Discourse shifting a ton in only a decade or two—I wasn't there for it.
It's probably also worth noting that this shift looks rather more total from a very-online perspective than it does IRL, which is probably a source of some of the ongoing friction. Online, it's done, the shift has happened, you're a cave-man if you're lagging behind on it at all—offline, much less so.
Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…
It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh."
Do you think its possible that someone doing that digging told a terrible joke when they were doing that digging?
Would it be funny if a trans person was the one telling the joke?
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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…
Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…
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Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.
We've totally abandoned the concept of "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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Isn't the purpose of machine learning to learn something, not nothing/randomness?
The point is that whether it's an RNG or language model or just a program printing a list of numbers like I posted, it's just a state machine spitting stuff out, it has no intention. So it's not really productive to get mad at it just because it produced something you don't like. The language model is spitting out random stuff based on the representation it has learned. It doesn't know what it means, nobody is making…
However, the AI may not have been trained in a neutral way, and the person using it may not be using it in a neutral way.
If you create an AI product, you are responsible for its output. People aren't mad at the model itself, they are mad at its creators. Why did they create an AI which ends up insulting people and breaking the ToS of the platform it is on?
So comedy cannot be offensive anymore? When did that happen?
I watched this for a few hours over the weekend and I haven't seen anything as lively or interactive on Twitch since TwitchPlaysPokemon. The chat truly made it hilarious: from tracking how many times the microwave turned on (MMMMMMMMMM), claiming new arcs of the show when common themes got brought up, or yelling about LORE when characters revealed their backstories. I hope this comes back soon, as it has been a sourc…
My favorite moments were when the AI seemed somewhat sentient, and the whole chat blew up with “AWARE” and the nervous frog/pepe emote.