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Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Solutions to nonexistent problems don't generate any GDP. Not fighting off aliens is bad for the economy.

IMO way too much attention goes to beating around the bush when we need to take a step back and ask some more abstract questions about exactly what our goal as a society should be. There are some hard questions out there that are not getting enough attention.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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The author's answer to the title question seems to be: No. Which I agree with. If the answer was "Yes" however, I would question if that's even a bad thing to begin with. If our economy is reliant on people driving to an office and spending their money at a restaurant, then our economy is pretty terrible to begin with.

IMO this whole nonsense argument stems from poor high school economics education and not teaching Schumpeter in high school.

Per Schumpeter a 100 years ago, the economy is an ever changing process from technological change and entrepreneurship.

Of course remote work is going to have good and bad aspects that come with the change.

Practically the golden rule of economics is that everything is a trade off.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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The big metros are more efficient (dollar-wise) and have a lower environmental impact than small towns. Small towns, in the US, are already subsidized by big towns, at least economically.

> and have a lower environmental impact than small towns Can you expand on that (or link to more) ?

Look at 'Strong towns'. Not exactly what GP said, but close enough.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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This applies everywhere: just because a job or business has existed does not mean it has a right to exist forever. This is not being harsh on people; it's just a reality. The blacksmiths in the horse and buggy days saw demand for their services fall when time and technologies changed. The coal miners began losing their jobs when we realized that coal as fuel was more harmful than it was beneficial. History is full of…

What if the government helped people switch jobs after they're made redundant?

They do, and try to... just most people don't take advantage of that.

Look up the equivalent of the Department of Workforce Development for your state and find the employment and training section.

For example: https://dwd.wisconsin.gov/det/ and https://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dislocatedworker/

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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> And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily. I'm actually 29 but sure. > Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email? I would argue that more details are actually _preserved_ when communicating via email rather than face to face. If you cannot properly communicate via written text then yeah, of course any kind of written channel will be worse. I actually lik…

Good for you. This is really moot. 29, the age fits the angst.. I'm not saying WFH is bad. It should be allowed, but I disagree that it should not be a full working week. To those who prefer to work in the office, who communicate better in the office. Should be taken in to consideration. Sorry that my brain operates differently to yours. When you start to throw personal insults, "ITS A YOU" problem those make your po…

I don't want to pile on you much, but I think both you and your team aren't equipped for remote work and could benefit from a better management and leadership. I changed job very recently, to a full remote team, it was the best onboarding of my life.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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The suburbs around Boston are effectively dense cities because they predate railroads, nevermind cars. You don't need skyscrapers to claim "density".

Is that a "No True Suburb" argument?

Is Cambridge a suburb of Boston?

You've also called out Watertown, Arlington, etc as modern American suburbs before but their density ranks well above major cities. But that's because they're not modern American suburbs. They're classical Streetcar Suburbs that predate the car and that's a very different thing.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Source for that claim? I hear it all the time, but never a source that actually stands up to scrutiny. (strongtowns is the most common - they are not a source)

Why is the strongtowns paper not a source?

Because it isn't a rigorous investigation. Or maybe it is an attempt, but they cherry pick data and do other things that shouldn't pass peer review.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Only if the alternative is bad. While it is true that most public transit in the US is bad, that doesn't mean it has to be that way.

It is impossible to build public transport that gives the same freedom of movement as a personal vehicle.

That is false. In areas with heavy traffic you can give more freedom of movement. In the typical city without congestion (including US suburbs!), while the car is better, it still doesn't have to be enough better to matter. That you think the car is always better is a reflection on the bad service you have had on public transit.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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It's not really about the money itself but the amount of work done. If people get less work done, that's less value added. Less 'stuff' is produced but the same wage is paid - regardless of what happens with inflation. Whether that's good or bad is another question, as is the question of whether it even is happening or not.

Even if less work gets done (citation needed, I think there are reasons why remote can increase productivity), you also don't have at least one major negative externality: pollution from commuting. There are also likely economic benefits: remote workers can move to areas that would otherwise suffer an economic drain from mass migration to large cities. Imagine how many other cities would benefit if most of us didn't…

Save money, too. Yeah there is a productivity hit, but in exchange you don't have to pay for offices, tables, chairs, monitors, HVAC, window washing, etc.

Plus I can offer a High COL rate, Mid COL rate, and Low COL rate, and recruit talent from all over. Yeah my boy doing node.js in Des Moines or Nashville might not be as good as the shit-hot MIT grade in NYC, but I can pay him 60% less, and he's 80% as good as that MIT kid.

Problem is you gotta re-tool and be equipped for that kind of management, and the Boomer / old Gen-X crowd running the show isn't.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Bad public transit exists all over. That doesn't make the idea of public transit bad, it just means we need better management of it.

Random route service is difficult to efficiently serve with mass transit. Public transit doesn't have to be specifically mass transit, but the collective need of "I need to go from random place A to random place B and later return" is almost never going to line up with a mass transit solution. Having high frequency mass transit service and decent transfers is better than the current situation, but it's really, really…

True, but I still firmly maintain that with good transfers you can get transit close enough to car levels of service so that it doesn't matter. Of course such service is a lot more expensive to run than current service - but it is still cheaper than the costs of owning a car.
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