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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by j-bos »

vidarh wrote: post #298
lormayna wrote: post #226

> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

> Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? To be clear, the below is not taking into account the allegations in the article, but just seeks to explain the thinking without judgement (as I'm frankly not sure which side I fall down on). There's a school of thought that some degree of weighting helps to redress systemic issues by changing incentives, justifie…

Thanks, this is a great explanation. And combined with OP's last question, raises for me the question, why not incentivize other marginalized classes, like people who are highly unattractive? Note this a question of curiosity in reasoning, not one of judgement.

*Do we say OP for the top level comment?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

notrealme1234 wrote: post #133
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide.

There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions.

The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing everyone.

As if punishing a bad person is a virtue. And as if there's nothing wrong about lynching an innocent person.

And this is a direct result of lack of religion. The absence of religion isn't lack of oppression, it's oppression by a dumb blind mob. Religion isn't the truly primitive behavior, the truly primitive behavior is this dumb mob social justice that's spreading now.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by koonsolo »

peaky_blinder wrote: post #305
koonsolo wrote: post #301

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Negative pressure from who?

From the peers.

The main reason why girls are not choosing STEM is because it doesn't intrest them as much. You can try to put the blame on anything you want, but that's reality.

I love technical things and am the father of 1 son and 3 girls. I of course would love to do technical things with all of them. With my son it's easy to get him excited about lego and such. With my girls? Well, maybe you should give it a try. I decided to play with my kids the things they like to play with. And with my girls it's (unfortunately for me) non technical things.

This preference is also highly documented in gender equal societies. So do us all a favor and stop talking bullshit while it's obvious why women don't select STEM: they don't want to.

PS: My oldest daughter is going to follow STEM next year. I'm happy, but mainly wish her to be happy. If she continues it, fine. If she decides she wants to do something else, also fine. She's good at math so that's the main reason she picked it.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by ninjanomnom »

blindriver wrote: post #190
CoastalCoder wrote: post #95

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> Instead of an ad hominem dogwhistle I don't think that's what "dogwhistle" means. IIUC, dog-whistling is surreptitiously sending a message to some readers, but having plausible deniability and/or non-recognition for the rest of the readers.

To me, all these new terms that have no actual meaning to what they are trying to describe is very annoying. Terms like "phishing", "gaslighting", "bike shedding", "yak shaving", "dog whistle", "gatekeeping" are extremely confusing to understand because there's no direct connection to what they are trying to imply. You literally have to memorize what it means and it's generally unguessable.

Terms like these are often not intended to be understood from just context. They're short references to complex topics that it is assumed the listener is already comfortable with, and will need to be explained if they are not. Just like understanding technical terminology improves your ability to share complex ideas in a technical space, political/social terminology improves your ability to share complex ideas in the social space.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tentacleuno »

thinking4real wrote: post #180
notrealme1234 wrote: post #166

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Yes, in civil court. The DA office won't take on false accusations charges. Edit: I could sue her, but nothing will come of it, she's completely broke, alone and live rent free taking care of old lady with dementia. And as of me, idk, never held grudge or wanted any vengeance upon anyone, it's easier to just cut ties, and never be associated with her

You do you, but your inaction is going to ensure more and more men go through this.

That's unnecessarily judgemental and reeks of victim-blaming tbh. Would you say the same to a woman who has been raped?

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Post by [deleted] »

qazpot wrote: post #88
newyankee wrote: post #81

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I know someone who lost his entire life, children and financial condition after being levied with false cases in urban India. Yes, even in a country like India in the urban and educated areas the laws are so anti male that there is not much a person can hope for. He was acquited after many years but the wife did not face any legal repercussions.

India has had a long standing culture of torturing and burning because of dowry and female foeticide. However, the judicial system instead of fixing the problem went ahead and created lopsided insane laws which are now being exploited.

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Post by defrost »

randomdata wrote: post #313
defrost wrote: post #179

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Doing well in classes doesn't award recognition and opportunity for men either, though. STEM only values experience. This is the problem: It is believed that, at least historically, STEM only pushed itself on boys. They were given lego, electronic kits, etc. while girls were given dolls, kitchen sets, etc. Once one was ready to enter the working world, men had that experience to lean on. Women not so much. I'm not su…

> Doing well in classes doesn't award recognition and opportunity for men either, though.

Read bio's of everybody who got "Senior Wrangler" from (say) 1850 onwards, it's a great read and a number of them founded majar US seats of learning.

Now read the bio of the women who out thought all of them.

> STEM only values experience.

All of them started out as new born babies and progressed through school having no world experience until they got some on the back of offered opportunities or private wealth.

STEM today is built upon people with no initial experience who gain it along the way.

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Post by koonsolo »

defrost wrote: post #310
koonsolo wrote: post #299

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I don't know where you did STEM related education, but in my environment a women in a group project would get extra points relative to the rest. So I saw the exact opposite of what you describe. And at work, women seems to rise to management levels easier than men. But hey, this is EU, not US. Edit: you're pointing me to something that happened in 1890? WTF???

> 100% historically discriminatory to women You replied to a comment about historically - and what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree. The roots of higher education were laid with the exclusion of women baked in.

So women are now excluded from education like the olden days? Wtf?

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Post by heilei »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #188
csomar wrote: post #168

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> STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women Is this a Western/US thing? Woman STEM graduates outnumber man in a number of countries. Mine and Iran for example but most Muslim countries have strong woman numbers. I don't think STEM in the west is discriminatory to women, out of the blue. It can't be more discriminatory than Iran? Unless, there is data and research that suggests otherwise.

Not just Muslim countries but Asia’s numbers are more even too. Not sure what happened but the West got leapfrogged by a lot of the rest of the world in this regard. We like to think we’re the shining light of progressivism but the reality may be more complicated than that.

Asian countries developed much later. That is why some countries also have mobile payments instead of credit cards. Because credit cards never became the incumbent in the first place. Many western countries have a relatively unbroken history from early industrialism to post-WWII development to home computers in the 80s to early Internet startups. Japan, which developed earlier than India or China, doesn't have a high percentage of women in STEM. The US used to have a higher percentage of women in computer science in the 80s when it was a less popular field. If you instead look at gender distribution in something older like politics or the military western countries often do a lot better than the rest of the world.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by friendzis »

tasuki wrote: post #274
lormayna wrote: post #226

> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

Their goal is diversity. I think diversity might have been shown to lead to better team outcomes. To me the craziest part is: > Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees

As much as I personally have read on this it's not blanket "diversity", or even "diversity of opinions", but rather quite strictly "diversity of viewpoints/perspectives". You know, like for example when we design urban environments we consider residents, pedestrians, cyclists, disabled and what not.
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