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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by tshell »

stavros wrote: post #254
tptacek wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked at in terms of the "Fediverse", a coherent decentralized social network, with lots of instances cooperating to make one intentional thing. I'm still not bullish about that. But once you use it, you see that it's basically hyper-interactive RSS. (Maybe you see the two at the same thing; I don't.)

To be fair, there still isn't an easy way (that I know of) to make sites (dynamic first, static later) ActivityPub participants. I'd love it if my site's posts were ActivityPub posts, with ActivityPub replies being shown on the site as comments. I think that would be an amazing thing, but it's currently not very easy to do. I guess I better get coding again.

This is similar to how micro.blog has implemented ActivityPub support, from what I can gather. Here's their documentation from when the feature was released: https://help.micro.blog/t/mastodon-and-activitypub/95

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by stavros »

tshell wrote: post #321
stavros wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, there still isn't an easy way (that I know of) to make sites (dynamic first, static later) ActivityPub participants. I'd love it if my site's posts were ActivityPub posts, with ActivityPub replies being shown on the site as comments. I think that would be an amazing thing, but it's currently not very easy to do. I guess I better get coding again.

This is similar to how micro.blog has implemented ActivityPub support, from what I can gather. Here's their documentation from when the feature was released: https://help.micro.blog/t/mastodon-and-activitypub/95

Oh excellent, thanks! I wonder how hard it is to make an RSS-to-ActivityPub service.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by kalleboo »

stavros wrote: post #254
tptacek wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked at in terms of the "Fediverse", a coherent decentralized social network, with lots of instances cooperating to make one intentional thing. I'm still not bullish about that. But once you use it, you see that it's basically hyper-interactive RSS. (Maybe you see the two at the same thing; I don't.)

To be fair, there still isn't an easy way (that I know of) to make sites (dynamic first, static later) ActivityPub participants. I'd love it if my site's posts were ActivityPub posts, with ActivityPub replies being shown on the site as comments. I think that would be an amazing thing, but it's currently not very easy to do. I guess I better get coding again.

I believe there’s a WordPress ActivityPub plug-in now which helps with this for a large portion of sites out there

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by tptacek »

pvg wrote: post #311
tptacek wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This notion of affiliating with specific servers with specific cultures is I think one of the first things that's going to go out the window as Mastodon/ActivityPub succeeds. It's not that hard to provision single-user instances, and the fabled moderation overhead issues are, as I understand from talking to operators, mostly a thing that follows from having lots of people in an instance following lots of other instan…

I ended up on infosec.exchange; it's been fine (thanks, infosec.exchange people!). I'll be on my own address sometime in the next month or so. This is a dumb question because I've yet to mastodon-on but how does this work? Like, how do the followers of the old id start following the new id?

It's not a dumb question! I know that there is some notion of portability from one instance to another but I haven't the slightest clue how it works under the hood. I'm just sort of counting on this working. :)

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

pvg wrote: post #311
tptacek wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This notion of affiliating with specific servers with specific cultures is I think one of the first things that's going to go out the window as Mastodon/ActivityPub succeeds. It's not that hard to provision single-user instances, and the fabled moderation overhead issues are, as I understand from talking to operators, mostly a thing that follows from having lots of people in an instance following lots of other instan…

I ended up on infosec.exchange; it's been fine (thanks, infosec.exchange people!). I'll be on my own address sometime in the next month or so. This is a dumb question because I've yet to mastodon-on but how does this work? Like, how do the followers of the old id start following the new id?

Yes, exactly. I don't know how it works under the hood but you pretty much press a button on both instances and the followers get moved.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by amitrip »

unconed wrote: post #303

Hate on "space karen" all you want... but we all know that if he hadn't bought it, the company would still be a bloated carcass incapable of delivering features, its c-level would be dancing to the tune of every 3 letter agency, and its moderation teams would be openly enforcing left wing dogma while granting media friends a total exemption. There never would have been an exodus to other protocols had the awful peopl…

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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

bioemerl wrote: post #264
wyclif wrote: post #217

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> RIP Twitter Reports of Twitter's demise are greatly exaggerated by people with "Spaceman Bad" political brainworms.

Unfortunately it takes a lot, and I mean a lot, to overcome network effects when something like Twitter is involved. The only way it goes under is if they are losing revenue and they actually go bankrupt at some point. Elon has already been muzzled quite a bit and I haven't seen much out of him recently, so I imagine as long as that keeps being the case going forward we're going to see Twitter do just fine.

To be clear, I meant "RIP Twitter" for me personally. I wouldn't bet on Twitter failing. I think he'll make it work one way another.

> The only way it goes under is if they are losing revenue and they actually go bankrupt at some point.

That said,

> According to press reports, Twitter requires more than a billion dollars a year just to maintain its debt service and anything that endangers loan repayment or workforce security could endanger the business.

it won't be easy.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by iLoveOncall »

vore wrote: post #292
iLoveOncall wrote: post #165

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Ah my bad, if it's an app instead of a website, I understand how it is appropriate to use the passing of your mom as a metaphor in a blog post named "The Shit Show".

Do you think it's appropriate to tell others how to grieve? Should they only be allowed to grieve by your standards? If the author thinks it's appropriate to draw a parallel between the two, it's not your place to tell them otherwise. It's not you losing your passion project, and it's not you losing your mother.

The first sentence of my first comment was literally "I guess everyone griefs differently".

But apparently we're not allowed to express our opinion anymore?

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by lapcat »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #328
vore wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it's appropriate to tell others how to grieve? Should they only be allowed to grieve by your standards? If the author thinks it's appropriate to draw a parallel between the two, it's not your place to tell them otherwise. It's not you losing your passion project, and it's not you losing your mother.

The first sentence of my first comment was literally "I guess everyone griefs differently". But apparently we're not allowed to express our opinion anymore?

> The first sentence of my first comment was literally "I guess everyone griefs differently".

How is this comment even meaningful if you don't support the article author's own way of grieving?

> But apparently we're not allowed to express our opinion anymore?

This is ironic when you consider the article author's expression of his opinion to be "particularly distasteful". You're not even disagreeing on substantive points, you just seem to think it was wrong of him to express his opinion in the way that he did. Nothing more than tone policing.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by rsynnott »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #308
tptacek wrote: post #12

I think (and have been saying this a bunch lately) that he's right about ActivityPub and Mastodon, and that "a universal timeline" is actually a really good way to put words to it. I was a Mastodon hater for years, but having used it for the past month or so with an actual community of people (really: the whole community I interacted with on Twitter before), I have to admit it: the ActivityPub people were right about…

> I'm expecting this to be the second-dumbest thing I ever predicted badly (I dismissed MP3s, too!) Fret not; when Sony released the first digital Mavica (the one that stored pictures on 1.44" floppys) I would have made a bet that digital photography will never take off. My only lame excuse it that at this time it was just unfeasible imagining that one day in the not too distant future you'd be able to store terabyte…

I was _very_ sceptical of Netflix (the streaming incarnation, not ye olde postal DVD thingy); I didn't think the economics could be made to work, or that everyone would buy an AppleTV or similar to use it (I very much wasn't counting on smarttvs...)
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