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I'd rather live in a society where people are treated like human beings than one where people are treated like consumers.
This.
I lived through the days where politicians, journalists, etc referred to what was "good for the public". I felt the shift to "good for the consumer" as it kicked in and took over, and I hated it both then and now - the change was deliberate and the outcome predictable.
As an EU citizen all I can say is: Get fucked. I hope the EU grows a spine and actually doubles down instead of bowing to US pressure. >Fine for Meta more than tenfold from € 28 million to € 390 million. Third case on WhatsApp pending. Starting to get into a range for the fine that makes sense. Give it another tenfold increase and I'm content.
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Otherwise, it's just like every other form of advertising ever, yes. Rather than have ad companies know everything about me, I gladly choose more generalized ads.
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Diluting the value of advertising is a great thing! If it is truly a waste of money to buy advertising, manufacturers won't spend on it, and then none of us will have to watch dumb adult diaper ads, or pay extra money for our adult diapers to cover the advertising budget.
Meta can still use personal data for ads. They just have to explicitly ask for consent. I do not like these sensationalized titles on HN.
I would be totally fine with a regulation where they had to ask before using personal data to show ads. The overreach is that the GDPR requires that the user be able to say "no" but still use the service -- you can't make use of the service conditional on accepting ads, and you can't require users to pay instead.
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I'd be more than happy to pay for HN, but I think it's a very bad example as it's not funded by any kind of ads/tracking (not directly at the very least).
The entire site is one giant ad for YC. The only difference is that HN has achieved an extremely effective content marketing strategy so tracking isn't needed.
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I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !
This made me think of Elephant in Cairo [1] and Pachydermic Personnel Prediction [2]. Specifically, it reminded me of what the classification says about the job of a politician: > Politicians don't hunt elephants, but they will share the elephants you catch with the people who voted for them. Along these lines, we'd have something like > Europeans don't invent new tech, but they will regulate the tech you invented. A…
I'm quite happy our elected officials are putting an end to the abuse.
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Except they can't. If a service is only profitable with personalized advertising they aren't allowed to say "if you want to use this service you need to allow us to do personalized advertising". Which means that in the future if there's a service I might want to use which is in this category and if I don't mind having my data used to personalize my advertising, I don't have a choice: the service won't exist.
That's a bit like saying that motor racing wouldn't be possible without cigarette advertising. It turns out that banning tobacco advertising did not lead to the end of Formulae 1 and making targeted advertising optional won't lead to end of social media either.
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I'll preface this by saying that I don't like Meta and am very privacy-conscious. > it's also very possible that the business models are actually unpopular and people are upset after learning about them. I am 100% convinced - from people around me - that those who use FB and IG don't give a damn about privacy and would rather it be free of charge. This is clearly a small group of "elite people in the know" (which in…
Those people will be given a choice (assuming Meta doesn’t throw a tantrum and decide to leave the EU in Brexit fashion - which they are more than welcome to do!). “Do you want us to use [extensive list of all of the kinds of information we have meticulously gathered about you] to show you more relevant ads? Yes/no” I have a personal belief on what most people will answer to that question. You may disagree. But it do…
Meta can still use personal data for ads. They just have to explicitly ask for consent. I do not like these sensationalized titles on HN.
And no one will ever give them permission. Why would you?
Meta can still use personal data for ads. They just have to explicitly ask for consent. I do not like these sensationalized titles on HN.
It’s like the iOS popup “do you want to let the app track you?” It’s a BS feature and they might as well default to not let apps track. Is anyone going to click yes?