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Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by kingboss »

LBJsPNS wrote: post #299
kingboss wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have. It's still inferior to Windows and it's trying to be a discount version of MacOS. And it's doing a bad job at it.

So it would seem you haven't used Linux recently if you consider it inferior to Windows.

I use it everyday. It's beyond inferior. Terminal is still needed for a lot of things that should have a GUI. Gaming support still inferior. Applications that only exist for Windows and/or MacOS. Linux had it's chance on desktop. Especially during Windows 8 trash era. It blew it. It's game over.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by fuzzfactor »

muststopmyths wrote: post #46
emsy wrote: post #7

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It’s a reappearing issue with Linux that you run into problems other operating systems don’t have to this degree. Which is sad, because seeing the direction Windows 11 is heading towards, I’d like for Linux to achieve widespread adoption.

Oh don’t worry as a daily user of windows 11 I can assure you that Microsoft is doubling down on random mystifying problems, paired with no useful forum for users to collectively figure things out.

Not as fast as they are breaking links to previoulsy-proven solutions on their own forums.

And following up by silently escalating recently-solved problems beyond the reach of posted workarounds.

Just in case the doubling down does not proceed as expected.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by dspillett »

dspillett wrote: post #8
artemonster wrote: post #3

I hate linux for this. How the hell a modern OS can be frozen completely shut by some runaway python script running in a VS code debugger, to a point that you have to kill your PC with a button. And then non-obvious issues that just "appear" out of nowhere and steal your perfectly fine evening where you have planned to work on your favorite side project.

> How the hell a modern OS can be frozen completely shut by some runaway python script running in a VS code That isn't a just Linux thing. You can easily fork-bomb (or equivalent) Windows/iOS/other and so forth, especially (though not only) if running as a privileged user. > And then non-obvious issues that just "appear" out of nowhere That is definitely not something that I've never seen when using Windows! Where it…

> > And then non-obvious issues that just "appear" out of nowhere

>That is definitely not something that I've never seen when using Windows!

Case in point: my laptop (running the Windows 10 it came with) recently stopped hibernating properly, well it hibernates OK but half the time when it wakes up the screen does not turn on, and this evening it has decided that it doesn't want to be asleep while plugged in. If I tell it to sleep (through power key or start menu) while plugged in it does very temporarily and then returns to the login screen. If I tell it to sleep when running on battery it does but immediately wakes up once power is connected.

While Linux distros are far from free from random problems at times, in my experience Windows exhibits them more and tends to be harder to diagnose because more is hidden.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by juniperplant »

LBJsPNS wrote: post #302
vehemenz wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point here is that if you use Linux enough, then you will encounter issues, period, regardless of your technical level.

And if you use Windows enough, particlarly 10 or 11, you will encounter issues as well.

Just less frequently. Also, we should agree on what those "issues" are, really. Beside the lack of popular commercial applications on Linux, the existing, open source variants, are often inferior if not frustrating.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by juniperplant »

_8j50 wrote: post #16

I said linux was fragile the other day and someone replied "in what way", this post is a good answer. In the past also I had similar critiques to my own criticism of Linux. Who knows how many total days and weeks I spent on random things like this and all the obstacles I had to overcome. Just to get secure boot working on debian, I had to overcome their block of my vpn IP on their wiki, and the sign-tool which is imp…

Are you still using Linux as daily driver? I'm just curious.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by [deleted] »

mmastrac wrote: post #201
cryptonector wrote: post #200

> > Out of curiosity, how did you come up with this solution? > The author, dkozel, never came back to answer. I imagine they typed the solution on a 40% keyboard featuring unmarked keys and then rolled into the sunset on a Segway for which they had compiled the kernel themselves. Completely oblivious of their awesomeness and of how many people would later find solace in their prose. Here's how I would have started t…

Does this just mean that they added 51 additional bus numbers? I am curious if the kernel could just bump this number up, especially if Thunderbolt is getting more popular.

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Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by CoolCold »

channel_t wrote: post #202
bombcar wrote: post #149

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Installing Arch is much closer to system administration than programming - they may be related somewhat and attractive to similar people; but you can be a quite successful programmer and barely be able to install Ubuntu. I know people who have written kernel-level Linux drivers who have difficulty upgrading macOS. They're separate skillsets.

I was going to say, I know a lot of programmers, maybe even most, who avoid Linux like the plague because they don't want to waste cognitive cycles on fixing their broken machines. I have found myself in this same place after a solid 12 years or so of Linux use for pretty much everything, home, work, etc. I honestly kinda want to get back into it, but there are other priorities. As long as I have access to some kind…

That's how WSL gets traction being good enough as Unixy command line

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by LBJsPNS »

juniperplant wrote: post #324
LBJsPNS wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you use Windows enough, particlarly 10 or 11, you will encounter issues as well.

Just less frequently. Also, we should agree on what those "issues" are, really. Beside the lack of popular commercial applications on Linux, the existing, open source variants, are often inferior if not frustrating.

We disagree strongly then.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by zaxmyth »

fabiensanglard wrote: post #159
dkozel wrote: post #138

Hi folks. :) I'm so glad that my hit-and-run post has been so useful. After seeing Fabien's blog post I did a quick search and it turns out that the solution has spread fairly broadly to other forums. My choice of 0x33 was arbitrary so makes a nice canary for seeing it spread out. I'm thrilled. Sharing experiences and solutions is so essential to learning. I've benefited enormously from the generosity of open source…

The internet is amazing! The way it allows people to connect, help each other and sometimes also reconnect is heartwarming. If you have a PayPal account, I will gladly contribute to your microscope fund! Thank you again, and happy end of year!

zxmth here. I'm glad to finally know that 0x33 was arbitrary :P I'm also glad that old thread on Level1 has sparked this conversation and connection around a shared Linux challenge. Thanks fabiensanglard and dkozel! Happy hot-plugging to you both!
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