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Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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The definition of recession has always been two quarters of negative gdp growth… very recently the current administration in the US changed the definition so as to not look bad.

NBER is the entity which demarcates the start and end dates of recessions in the US, not the White House.

Who gave them that power?

Seems more reasonable to let an economic term be governed by the consensus of economists over time.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Or maybe THIS is exactly how propaganda works, swapping between the connotations and denotations of words when it's politically convenient to. It's also clear to me if the president had an R next to his name, both sides of the "Are we in a recession?" debate would swap entirely.

"Accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of"

"Yes, exactly"

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Short term rewards would need to be less enticing than the long term ones. Doing so would involve restricting many rights and privileges and people would hate that.

We are restricting our long term rights and privileges though...I know it is hard to get people to see that, but that is what is happening.

We know the problems, would like to see workable solutions.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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yeah, except it doesn't work half the time (I have issues with it on MS Teams, Outlooks, even Gmail sometimes) the Mozilla boss thinks the solution is raise her own pay and fire devs. EDIT: and I should mention that I am a die-hard Firefox fanboy, that I've been using it since like Firefox 2 or something, and that seeing it fail to properly render certain web apps and having to use chromium, which I consider to be ug…

What extensions are you using? I (anecdotally) never have any of the issues you describe. And I'm on my computer 12+ hours per day, most of which is spent galivanting across the web in Firefox. Are you using a forked version of Firefox?

Same here... I read comments all the time in browser threads about these issues in Firefox and I must be lucky or my basic install with just uBO is the difference (I also don't use any Google websites outside of search and Youtube). I have been daily FF user on both desktop and laptop for 4+ hours a day since I left Opera when it changed to a Chromium base and I can probably count on one hand the issues I've had with FF working with sites properly. One was a repeatable memory leak that would crash FF like 4 years ago that I submitted as a bug report and it was fixed in next release.

To me FF is just as fast in general browsing than anything else. I routinely try other browsers and I just feel "wrong" using any of the Chromium based others of Edge/Brave/Vivaldi when FF needs us right now. It needs the us to stand against non-open source web browsers and as an alternative engine to the web. I really like Vivaldi and would be my 2nd choice (then Edge then Brave, refuse to use Chrome) but it isn't open-source nor does it do anything to protect privacy.

If FF is giving crashes, issues at sites etc please try at least refreshing your install in the options and don't install so many extensions. Even better backup your bookmarks and uninstall it while making sure to also delete all users\$username\Appdata folders as well then reinstall.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Who still using chrome? Use safari, brave, or Firefox.

I have no choice but to use Firefox because I have switched to vertical tabs (with Sidebery) and it seems that every other browser besides Edge(?!) is stuck with horizontal tabs. Horizontal tabs are objectively inferior - why are vertical tabs so rare???

Vivaldi has the best vertical tabs implementation I've used. Edge would be 2nd. Sideberry would be great if it was easier to rid of the horizontal tabs in FF when Sideberry is active. Horrible having the horizontal tabs still while also having vertical tabs and only some CSS hacks fixes it.

Brave has vertical tabs coming soon as they are in nightly I believe.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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> Browsers used to be paid software. AFAIK the big ones have always been free, except for Netscape between 1995 and 1998.

IE 1.0 was included in a "Windows 95 Plus!" which was sold for $50 in 1994; However it was short-lived and it was included in later releases of Windows [1] Netscape was sold for $50 [2] Opera was sold (can't find the price) [3] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Plus!#Microsoft_Plus!_for_Windows_95 [2]: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/netscape-navigator-2-0-hits-the-streets/ [3]: https://web…

Thanks. I don’t think this really changes the point that no big browser have ever been paid for except Netscape. The "paid for" period of IE is insignificant (and it was barely used at the time) and Opera never had more than 3% of market share when it was free [1], let alone when it was paid for.

[1]: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/internet-browser-market-sha...

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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I suspect ungoogled-chromium[1] is not affected by google's changes to chrome://newtab . If anyone wants to stop using Chrome but isn't drawn to any of the alternatives, perhaps you'll like ungoogled-chromium. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium

It's worth noting that UGC has some significant security regressions https://qua3k.github.io/ungoogled/

> Security Updates

> The component updater, responsible for delivering out-of-band security updates to the various components of the browser, is disabled within ungoogled-chromium. It’s responsible for updating Chrome’s CRLSets, which are necessary for meaningful certificate revocation. Most of the components are delivered via the component updater because they have a need for out-of-band security updates, and it’s not helpful nor necessary to disable them.

> Furthermore, the extensions that users rely on aren’t updated automatically, posing an additional risk to users of the browser.

Not connecting to google services unles you explicitly request it is almost the entire point of ungoogled-chromium, so this is really misplaced criticism. Especially for the CRLs, giving Google the power to take third party websites offline is not something everyone agrees with.

The missing hardening is also not something to be summed up as "significant security regressions". Ironically it might even improve your security if it means that attacks depending on Chromes upstream toolchain configuration won't work - no one is realistically going to specifically target a niche project like ungoogled-chromium.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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> Our family Mac we got in ~2011 did show Apple as the new tab page, or at least the start page when you opened Safari after booting Pretty certain this is also incorrect. My recollection seems to accord with the Wikipedia page on the history of the Safari browser which (although it doesn’t itemize the default StartPage for each version) doesn’t cite any inclusion of an AppStore link, as far as I can see. [O] https:/…

Not the "Apple Store", but apple.com I believe it is correct. It was back when we didn't call it a new tab page, but 'homepage' and it was set to an actual website. Of course Safari defaulted to apple.com, what else was it supposed to default to?

> what else was it supposed to default to?

about:blank until the user sets something else.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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You're still the product for a whole bunch of paid services. The line has blurred significantly since that saying became commonplace.

Logic 101: "If A, Then B" does NOT imply "If not-A, Then not-B".

Human speech is not formal logic. The only point of saying ((bad thing)) is a consequence of an action (using free services) is to imply that not doing that (using non-free services since you can assume that not using anything is not a realistic opton) would have avoided ((bad thing)).

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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I know that everything you say here is true. The niche tech circle you speak of /is/ the audience here on HN. If we can’t be bothered to stop using Chrome then all is lost.

All is indeed lost! Browsers are incredibly expensive technologies to produce. If Microsoft of all companies could not find success with Edge classic, a browser that they wrote from scratch. Added with the ability to advertise and bundle with the worlds most popular OS, then Firefox has no chance to be the bastion against Chromium. One part of me is curious what a realistic web landscape would look like if it was all…

Microsoft...? Like, did you see their OS? I don't even.

In any case the type of people joining Firefox is very different from that of other companies.

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