Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

Post by morpheos137 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 12:40 AM UTC

throwaway29812 wrote: post #320

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From an EU perspective why would peace and trade with Russia be so bad? Clearly US psyops are stronger than anything Russia puts out because EU governments have been persuaded to participate in a crusade in Ukraine against their own economic self interests. Making the EU kowtow to America may be in American interests but it certainly is not in EU interests. I am not sure when this myth of Russia psyop dominance came…

> From an EU perspective why would peace and trade with Russia be so bad? Because Russia every once in a while invades a part of Europe to carve off territory for itself, then holds the rest of the continent hostage by withholding gas during the freezing winter. Why would you want peace with a country that is just biding its time before it starts it's next war?

Post by arrrg » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 10:08 AM UTC

bitL wrote: post #316

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Doesn’t make sense at all. Why blow it up when the German governing parties and the largest opposition party don’t want to move ahead with Nord Stream 2 anyway?

Politicians change, sometimes abruptly, especially during crisis. This prevents the "new guys" from starting the pipeline.

Post by gocartStatue » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 9:02 AM UTC

morpheos137 wrote: post #322

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Why would doing business with dangerous psychopath be so bad? After all, we’d just continuously give him money and depend on his services for our wellbeing, choosing to ignore that he kills „some less important people way east”. Nothing to see here.

Maybe the less important people should recognise that they are less important and make peace with their powerful neighbor? When did Ukrainian interests exactly correspond to EU interests? Governments are not charities. What is so important about Ukraine that Germany and France need to suffer for it? Didn't German voters elect their government to put German interests first?

Post by semiquaver » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

morpheos137 wrote: post #326

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I didn't say the EU, which has a collective defense treaty similar to that of NATO. I said Europe. And to answer that question: 2014, Ukraine 2008, Georgia 1992, Moldova and Romania And of course the Soviet Union invading, occupying and brutally oppressing half of Europe after WW2 (including several countries now in the EU and NATO). Or have you forgotten? They haven't.

Well for starters Georgia is not in Europe. It is in asia. I am not sure what you mean about 1992. If Moldova can be independent why not Transinistra? Ukraine was subject to a coup and civil war. Right or wrong reacting to a coup is not the same as an unprovoked invasion.

Post by throwaway29812 » Mon, Oct 03, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

semiquaver wrote: post #327

morpheos137 wrote: post #326

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Well for starters Georgia is not in Europe. It is in asia. I am not sure what you mean about 1992. If Moldova can be independent why not Transinistra? Ukraine was subject to a coup and civil war. Right or wrong reacting to a coup is not the same as an unprovoked invasion.

> Ukraine was subject to a coup and civil war. Until this line it wasn’t clear whether you were deluded or actively pushing propaganda. Thanks for clearing that up.