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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by apurtbapurt »

yrgulation wrote: post #294
eternalban wrote: post #265

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It is interesting how neither the Russians nor the West delves on to what extent this whole affair is about Germany, and the role Germany played in all this. Even now, the official narratives involving Germany focus on foot dragging on arming, stuff like that, whereas the actual geopolitical story is so much more 'interesting'. Btw, history calls with a rude interruption to remind that the Germans were also the first…

> It is interesting how neither the Russians nor the West delves on to what extent this whole affair is about Germany, and the role Germany played in all this. And thats fine, because the issue is neither russia not the west. The issue is east europe, the region of it thats sandwiched between russia and central europe (germany). Just to be clear, my aim is not germans but german politics which find it extremely conve…

The EU is an alliance of shared interests and some very basic shared ideals. We are allies, not soulmates or lovers.

That is not intended to defend people who speak ill of their neighbours. Bad manners are always ugly. Just pointing out that being nice is not a prerequisite for being a useful and even so.ewhat dependable ally.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by spaceheater »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #307
spaceheater wrote: post #300

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> You say collapse, others[0] say it was a retreat of 2000 soldiers with minimal loses. I'm sure they do. Good luck with the draft.

Those reports are reluctantly corroborated by the west[0], although it seems you are more interested in bad faith communication with snarky remarks, to each their own.

[0] https://www.ft.com/content/ee62788a-8191-48e2-87ee-e455614d5...

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by spywaregorilla »

spaceheater wrote: post #322
spywaregorilla wrote: post #307

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> You say collapse, others[0] say it was a retreat of 2000 soldiers with minimal loses. I'm sure they do. Good luck with the draft.

Those reports are reluctantly corroborated by the west[0], although it seems you are more interested in bad faith communication with snarky remarks, to each their own. [0] https://www.ft.com/content/ee62788a-8191-48e2-87ee-e455614d5...

No, I'm saying good luck with the draft, because you're in a country that is mobilizing canon fodder for war. I'm laughing at your youtube source because it's a former british barrister who was debarred for bribery and... faking his own kidnapping?

Your financial times source has plenty of good quotes. None of which support the that it was a minor retreat of just a couple thousand dudes.

> A senior military official said on Monday that Russian forces “had largely ceded their gains” around Ukraine’s second-largest city and “withdrawn to the north and the east”, adding that “many of these forces have moved over the border into Russia”. Kyiv says as much 6,000 sq km of territory has been “de-occupied”.

> Moscow’s troops abandoned equipment as they retreated “could be indicative of Russia’s disorganised command and control.”

> The Russian defence ministry has acknowledged its troops have pulled back in the Kharkiv region, but authorities have avoided calling it a retreat.

> In Izyum, a critical logistics hub where thousands of Russian troops had been stationed, Ukrainian soldiers hoisted the national flag over the central district government building in the main square.

Note the last quote; thousands of troops in the city of Izyum alone.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by bitcharmer »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #203

130 points, 3 hours ago, 184 comments Not on the front page or the second page of HN. The comments have been civil, all things considered. These events have been extremely consequential and possibly the root cause of the looming global recession.

Probably manually moderated out by dang in favour of another submission about lisp with 11 comments.

At least he doesn't purge /active which became my default some time ago.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

trhway wrote: post #320
fellellor wrote: post #303

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I hope, for the sake of the rest of humanity, all Euros (including Russians) aren’t a bunch of incredulously racist man-children as you are. Reading this would have been funnier had it not been for the behaviour we’ve seen this year.

racist? Are you seriously implying that the Allies were racist for them doing the same to Germany to cure it from Nazism? >Reading this would have been funnier had it not been for the behaviour we’ve seen this year. until this year i've never wrote nor even thought this way. Until Feb 24 i still believed in my Old Country having a chance at playing great positive role in the world - i still thought that the harsh aut…

I see a lot of hate being thrown on Russian civilians in these forums. That’s clearly racist. And the allies (ie the US) never cared about fascists. They had business relations with each other for quite some time.

The denazification wasn’t a moral duty. But a smart thing to do, to defang your enemy when they were defeated. Americans thought they were de-baathifying Iraq. When that blew up in their face, they unanimously agreed that it was a mistake, even though the Baath party actions were quite evil.

Europeans have a cultural tendency to create moralistic almost religious justification for war and conquest. Whether it is the white man’s burden, or now denazification. It is used to squash internal dissent. And that’s fine. You need to whip up your peasants into joining your crusade, in one way or another. But the story crumbles when it’s exported across the world.

The rest of the world has no reason to sympathise with actions that might trigger a nuclear war in Europe. I used to think that European leaders understand that and it’s OK for Ukrainians to idly dream of wrecking great vengeance on Russia. But now, I’m not so sure.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

sharikous wrote: post #235
honkdaddy wrote: post #180

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Russia has a long history of producing excellent programmers and software engineers, I'm not sure where you get the idea this is where they were outpaced by the rest of the world. If I had to attribute one thing to Russia's downfall, it would be its geopolitical decision to align itself with China and Iran in global anti-Western sentiment, rather than moving towards joining the rest of the West and the EU as some cou…

Russians are a highly educated population that produces excellent engineers. But Iranians too are in this position. But they are sanctioned off from the technological advanced world and they can't even import modern chips. Add to that that the corruption and lack of freedom are impediments to building a thriving economy. I think we will see a huge brain drain towards the West. Germany had top notch excellences too, b…

I was pretty impressed with Yandex when I was in Russia. The maps were far better and the image translations faster and more accurate than Google. Maybe its because they have access to better local data, but it definitely felt like a well-engineered product suite.

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Post by lolc »

saiya-jin wrote: post #277
lolc wrote: post #75

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I don't think the signal was intended primarily for the international audience. Putin is under a lot of pressure from hawks in his own ranks to win this war. They were asking him why he isn't mobilising. And now they will be saying that it's not enough. I guess there won't be enough boots for the new conscripts, so this dynamic will be interesting to watch.

I really don't think he is facing any kind of true rivalry here. Read up a bit (ie [1] is fantastic since its from 2018 but still 100% valid) on the structures of power and ingrained potential (and limits) of corruption that he gives to those under him. Its not like there is any democracy, other hawks/oligarchs with big ego need to shut up and follow within their constraints or they are murdered or imprisoned, usuall…

Yea I didn't want to imply that they could replace him. Or that they even aspire to that. It's more that Putin is losing the narrative. As long as people believe in his strong Russia, they are much easier to govern. As he's losing that story, he has to govern by fear. Much harder, because people will be weasely, instead of proud.

In the end, aside from talking to a bunch of Russians, I don't know the place. So my understanding is incomplete I'm sure.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

throwaw32823 wrote: post #171
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #94

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Russia was already always going to lose that "superpower" tag the moment the world shifted from hard industrial goods to consumer goods and technology. The first computer, the growth of the Japanese consumer goods industry, and Silicon Valley likely did as much to collapse the Soviet Union as anything else - they were simply out of the picture the moment we started creating software and portable stereos and personal…

What the difference b/w industrial goods and consumer goods. Both are physical items

Think giant industrial equipment vs microwave ovens

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by lrdd »

paganel wrote: post #113
thinkingemote wrote: post #59

Will the winter and the frozen ground give advantages to Russia? When is this likely to happen? I heard that the February invasion was too late and that the thaw was beginning, hampering access.

According to Shoigu (their minister of Defence) they'll use the conscripted men in order to secure the existing front-line, which is quite long. Couple that with the incoming referendums during which the regions that now Russia controls in Southern and Eastern Ukraine will vote for an annexation to Russia, which makes me doubtful that the Russian Army will try and make a push further North across the Dnieper or even…

Kyiv and Kharkiv

I think it is more correct to use Ukrainian names for Ukrainian cities over Russian.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by rasz »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #278
audessuscest wrote: post #57

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these people are reservist. They knew and already accepted that this could happen

You know what? The majority of men in Russia are reservists. You either served in the army or went through higher education and got away earning a leutenant rank along the way. In reality, the state will call in all men between 20 and 27, sparing Moscow residents for the time being.

>sparing Moscow residents for the time being

about that https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/15725291528337612...

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