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Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by danielheath »

Raymonf wrote: post #286
danielheath wrote: post #276

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> Do you know why it's a resource hog? Is it the nature of Ruby (that appears to be what they use) vs php, or is it because it tries to be an SPA that has no pagination? Ruby dev for 15 years here. Ruby is definitely slow, but in 2022 it's "tens of milliseconds to answer an HTTP request" slow. They chose a javascript framework that turned out to be outrageously slow.

I found that my Discourse instance consistently took ~250 milliseconds to display the forum post list (according to the little box at the top left corner). After getting annoyed with Discourse, I went back to Invision Forum and I see about ~95 ms for the same thing, including sending the response to my browser.

Those are both unreasonably slow in a way that has little to do with the language.

Optimizing responses has diminishing returns once you're below 100ms, but 250ms is far too slow.

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Post by speed_spread »

joshstrange wrote: post #281
joshspankit wrote: post #208

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True, but there’s also something vital that does not show on the balance sheet (and can sink companies): Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth. Excellent tools that are free spread even faster and further. There’s no way to know how many corporate plans were sold because a single team member relied on Slack outside of work, or how many pro user accounts exist because someone was visiting a Sla…

It's very similar to Salesforce's Heroku move. They either just don't care about that sales funnel and they remove it completely or they will keep squeezing until they kill it.

But just think of the promotion opportunities!

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Post by t-writescode »

samstave wrote: post #146
pygy_ wrote: post #105

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Digg vs Reddit also comes to mind. https://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/d78wi/digg_loses_... https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2005-01-01%202... https://mashable.com/archive/reddit-digg-traffic

DIGG blew its userbase by fucking up the UX. Reddit is on path to do same. If reddit ever kills old.reddit, exodus will happen. - But seriously, a designer should be thinking about the consumption/participation model as opposed to just the eyeballs/adwords-please-kill-me-now model... The consumption and participation of a site is direct to the UX - and when DIGG basically made it a 100% consumption push, while also m…

IIRC, ads and paid posts caused Digg to lose over Reddit. I didn’t use either at the time, but people I know did.

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Post by dalmo3 »

folkrav wrote: post #156
dalmo3 wrote: post #145

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> not a giant scrolling doomswheel Discourse's scrolling timeline is the absolute best UI feature I've ever used in a forum platform. Nothing else comes even close.

Hmm, I'm genuinely curious: why? I tend to heavily dislike anything infinite-scrolling...

Have you tried it? Check it out e.g. [1].

1) You immediately get to see the date range of the thread. 2) You can instantly navigate to any date or position in that range. 3) Thus, it's not really infinite scrolling. At all. The only similarity is lazy loading, for long threads. 4) On mobile, you also get to preview the comments before actually jumping to it.

[1] https://meta.discourse.org/t/switch-from-gravatar-to-html-cs...

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Post by muppetman »

xen2xen1 wrote: post #119
a1371 wrote: post #44

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I have like 7 Slacks. 2 of them are paid, 5 of them are hobby that I may use once a month. What are you suggesting? That I pay an extra $40/month just so that maybe I need an old message in one of those? I'd agree with you if Slack were indie devs but does Slack need my $40? The unhappiness comes from the fact that people want to rely on a service, even if it's free. It would make sense if this was a change for the s…

So I have to ask, why use Slack for hobby things instead of Discord? Is that driven by people used to having it at work? I'm confused by the thought of "hobby Slack channels".

Discord is so childish. It's embarassing to have open.

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Post by runjake »

oblio wrote: post #290
freddie_mercury wrote: post #233

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Whose existing banking system? The Chinese one? The Japanese one? The Egyptian one? The Indian one?

The Ancient Roman one. The one most people use. SWIFT. And yeah, blah blah sanctions, Russia, Iran, like most of the world's business is happening there and like the crypto Ponzi schemers really care about the "under-banked".

The “ancient Roman one”? Enlighten me.

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Post by dalmo3 »

oblio wrote: post #290
freddie_mercury wrote: post #233

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Whose existing banking system? The Chinese one? The Japanese one? The Egyptian one? The Indian one?

The Ancient Roman one. The one most people use. SWIFT. And yeah, blah blah sanctions, Russia, Iran, like most of the world's business is happening there and like the crypto Ponzi schemers really care about the "under-banked".

How's swift suitable for micropayments?

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Post by raydev »

samstave wrote: post #146
pygy_ wrote: post #105

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Digg vs Reddit also comes to mind. https://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/d78wi/digg_loses_... https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2005-01-01%202... https://mashable.com/archive/reddit-digg-traffic

DIGG blew its userbase by fucking up the UX. Reddit is on path to do same. If reddit ever kills old.reddit, exodus will happen. - But seriously, a designer should be thinking about the consumption/participation model as opposed to just the eyeballs/adwords-please-kill-me-now model... The consumption and participation of a site is direct to the UX - and when DIGG basically made it a 100% consumption push, while also m…

> If reddit ever kills old.reddit, exodus will happen.

You overestimate. Most people have moved on, and reddit gains new users every day who have no idea what old.reddit is.

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

muppetman wrote: post #325
xen2xen1 wrote: post #119

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So I have to ask, why use Slack for hobby things instead of Discord? Is that driven by people used to having it at work? I'm confused by the thought of "hobby Slack channels".

Discord is so childish. It's embarassing to have open.

Is it the friendly user-interface? The non-corporate artwork on curated pages? The community-vs-company-based branding?

What about any of that is embarrassing or childish? That it's not specifically designed for corporate drudgery hell?

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