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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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The approach at my company is to be group chat first. We think there is a distinction between social media (FB, Instragram, Twitter) and pure social networking. I think social networks that are unbounded and broadcast centric actually demonstrate anti-network effects where the more followers/friends you get the less value you get from your network unless of course you're trying to be an influencer. The ideal network…

Not even a Windows desktop option--just Apple and Google Play.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

I think the market simply came to the conclusion that "real social media" (friend-centric) was not a thing that many people needed or wanted. People moved friend-to-friend communication to private messaging apps: FB Messenger, Whatsapp, Signal, Discord, etc. and that space is very alive and well.

There is no great unfulfilled demand for a version of that which is also semi-public because then you get your public and private spheres mixed up. Younger users appear to have looked at the mistakes of older users and figured out that this is not the right move - they know that Tiktok/IG/etc. is fake and not friend based, the fakeness is sort of the point, they're there to watch the 2022 version of TV, and participate in a popularity contest and stroke the ego/receive affirmation from a Like count.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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TikTok is winning because it is video first. The more immersive the media, the more profitable the ads. Facebook is having trouble pivoting it's products to video. Facebook is betting big that the next more-immersive medium after video will be VR. That's basically the whole story. Notice I didn't use the word "algorithm" or "social"? These takes are tired and naive, TikTok isn't addictive in any operationally useful…

Phone hardware and telecommunications networks have only recently been powerful enough to support a TikTok-like social network. Video wouldn't have worked in 2015 in an era of 3G/4G phones and 4 inch iPhone 5's.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I think the GP’s point was that social relationships are increasingly becoming irrelevant to people” I have a hard time believing this is generally true.

I wonder where the split is, and for what demographics this is/isn't true for. It's been true for at least a few years for my (small) circle and I. I also wonder if this is a (temporary) side effect of larger societal issues. It certainly feels like all of my old relationships are trending towards hyperpolitical interactions (even ones where we agree on most topics) and/or transactional/performative obligations. In t…

The risk of focusing on more transient relationships is that in the long run you won't reap the benefits of compounding interest, which is arguably where all the best stuff in life comes from: https://nav.al/long-term

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are moving back to anonymous communication with limited audiences. Twitter is anonymous, but 100% public. There is no way to limit your audience to a smaller group. FB is not anonymous and mostly public. Private groups do exist, but you still mostly need to have an actual name on your account. TikTok & Snapchat are mostly for people who show their faces, not anonymous. WhatsApp shows everyone everyone's p…

web3 is taking a stab at reinventing this without the need of phone numbers. see [1] https://spkz.io/ [2] https://nftychat.xyz/ [3] https://gm.xyz/ *disclosure i'm a co-founder of #2

Lol, the reason the phone number is used as an identifier is because because it's a pain to have more than 1 or 2. It's an anti spam measure not a technology problem. You can key a database by anything unique. Icq used chronological numbers for fuck sake. Blockchain doesn't solve anything here.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Social media cannibalized itself to death in pursuit of ad revenue via increased engagement . The harder they pushed, with content assumption algorithms, the more toxic it became. The more toxic it becomes the more it appeals to extreme personalities while alienating everyone else, a poisonous viper eating itself. It’s only market lag between the revenue source, media source agencies, and the realization that better…

I don’t know if you remember or were ever exposed to the “Facebook is going to start charging for its services!” Panic posts that happened in the mid-2010s. It was always false, but when it comes to the internet, people have a strong sense of entitlement. They do not like the idea of paying for things.

Which is exactly where I would focus if I was making a product. I’m so sick to death of these awful “free” services. I can’t be the only one.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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I think the "social" part of social networks just moved to group chats. All my friends share updates of their family events, kids' stuff etc.. over Whatsapp and Telegram. Strangers gather over topics that interest them and want to talk about it seem to have moved to discord, slack etc. The whole "broadcast yourself to the world" part of social networks just moved to Tiktok, Twitter, Instagram etc.. I think.

Some people are moving back to anonymous communication with limited audiences. Twitter is anonymous, but 100% public. There is no way to limit your audience to a smaller group. FB is not anonymous and mostly public. Private groups do exist, but you still mostly need to have an actual name on your account. TikTok & Snapchat are mostly for people who show their faces, not anonymous. WhatsApp shows everyone everyone's p…

Google Circles was a good concept but I presume poorly implemented. Facebook fails outside the school/university environment because most people do not want their private social lives to be public, and the start of Facebook was limited to young people.

LinkedIn is what the adult version of a social media would be, because most people are happy to share some aspect of their professional life to the public, and professional life is usually fake and a mirage.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

I suspect that that what really ate up personal social networking was very simple: private group messaging finally got good enough. 15 years ago, we’d lost touch with old friends and acquaintances because there are a ton of people in our lives that mean something to us but that don’t warrant much 1-to-1 contact through phone calls or messaging. Myspace and early Facebook reinvigorated those relationships with relaxed…

> I suspect that that what really ate up personal social networking was very simple: private group messaging finally got good enough.

Which was achieved by WeChat since 10 years ago. It's something to think about that why are we so behind technologically.

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