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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by ericmay »

_-david-_ wrote: post #300
miles wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way to not be complicit is to not have a phone. China makes them all. Not exactly: Librem 5 USA: "The Freedom and Privacy of the Librem 5, plus Made in the USA Electronics with a Secure Supply Chain." https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/ "If you want a smartphone built outside China and the walled gardens of Google and Apple, Purism's Librem 5 USA may be for you." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/07/i…

>Librem 5 USA The problem is that it is $2000 and doesn't even run Android. The usability of a non-android Linux on a phone is just not there yet.

> The problem is that it is $2000

Well what would you expect? Lol that's the whole point! What you're saying is you care more about price than you do where the product is made. That's fine, but just be honest with yourself about it.

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Post by awinder »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #228
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Ukraine is a Sovereign Country, recognised by UN, Taiwan is not and technically it's still China. In the case of Apple though, they should have put "made in China" on their iPhones, because that's where they were made (even in the case that the two Chinas situation is recognized by International institutions) edit: apparently stating the obvious deserves downvotes here, I still don't know if it's Russians offended by…

Apples phones have always said made in China, designed in Cupertino. This is an issue about parts coming into China from Taiwan that are:

‘Using the phrase "Made in Taiwan" on any import declaration forms, documents or cartons’

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Post by pphysch »

Aunche wrote: post #133
chmod600 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some nuance here. We have free speech in the US. Freedom means choice, so there's still an obligation to act morally. China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. For instance, see how China manipulated the NBA and Activision Blizzard during the Hong Kong protests.

> China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. No we don't. China may act peeved that foreign companies are virtue signalling, but they'd secretly relish at the opportunity of finding an excuse to boycott or ban these foreign products, so that their wealth stays circulating in their domestic economy. Look at what happened to Nike and H&M afte…

> Look at what happened to Nike and H&M after they voiced concerns about Xinjiang.

A global company that wastes resources engaging in hysterically overblown State Department propaganda is a company that compromises the credibility of its leadership to make intelligent strategic decisions.

We're out of the unipolar era, and companies that are stuck it in it will get outpaced.

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Post by klipklop »

whoevercares wrote: post #220
klipklop wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

Except The old lady is - > The order of succession specifies that the office passes to the vice president; if the vice presidency is simultaneously vacant, or if the vice president is also incapacitated, the powers and duties of the presidency pass to the speaker of the House of Representatives

As you stated there are many steps before Pelosi is in a position to "push the button." Xi today at this vary moment is practicing/simulating the murder of the people in Taiwan so he can complete his grand vision of 'unifying' 'China'.

One is using words and the other weapons. We should not tolerate such attempts to stifle an open dialog. I know it's popular now to say 'words are violence,' but at the end of the day they are still not military drills and missile launches.

Xi's posture is one of murder. Pelosi's (who I don't agree with on most things) is one of democratic freedom for the people of Taiwan.

People trying to compare the threat level of Pelosi speeches to Xi missile launches are almost unbelievable in their level of sophistry.

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Post by sequoia »

Seems like they're just following local import/trade rules? I think the rule is bad but presumably plenty of local trade rules are stupid. One doesn't get to pick and choose which to follow.

I guess the implication is that going along with China's stance on Taiwan is "going to far" ethically and Apple should refuse, but I can't quite see this.

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Post by kepler1 »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

This is ridiculous. Taiwan is a free and independent country. Shame on Apple.

Hey, I'm so glad you recognize this principle!

I'm of the belief that Hawaii belongs to the native Hawaiian people who the islands were stolen from by the US one hundred years ago, and whose descendants have been advocating that it be returned to them as a free and independent people and country.

You're in favor of that, right?

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Post by alyandon »

geph2021 wrote: post #307
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Tell your friend to tread carefully with requests like this. My yearly "Business Conduct Training" (required by my employer) explicitly lists things like this as against company policy, a fireable offence, not to mention potentially illegal (circumventing embargoes, trade restrictions or sanctions).

Same here - for $VERY_LARGE_COMPANY.

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Post by unity1001 »

rednerrus wrote: post #241
unity1001 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Liberalization" in trade was always a farce. The US itself always had applied tariffs and importation quotas to even its closest trade partners and allies. "Free trade" is a PR speak that is used when pressuring other governments to open up their economy. Not your own.

The US government shoulders an inordinate amount of the cost for global trade. It seems fair that we ask countries to open their markets to us.

Does it? Didn't it enjoy the power to print infinite amounts of money thanks to oil trade being done exclusively in dollars just until a few months ago? Something which no other civilization, less, society, enjoyed ever in human history?

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Post by nomel »

sequoia wrote: post #325

Seems like they're just following local import/trade rules? I think the rule is bad but presumably plenty of local trade rules are stupid. One doesn't get to pick and choose which to follow. I guess the implication is that going along with China's stance on Taiwan is "going to far" ethically and Apple should refuse, but I can't quite see this.

> Taiwan is "going to far" ethically and Apple should refuse, but I can't quite see this.

And we won't see it from any big name company, since nearly everything is manufactured, in part or whole, in China.

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Post by _-david-_ »

ericmay wrote: post #321
_-david-_ wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Librem 5 USA The problem is that it is $2000 and doesn't even run Android. The usability of a non-android Linux on a phone is just not there yet.

> The problem is that it is $2000 Well what would you expect? Lol that's the whole point! What you're saying is you care more about price than you do where the product is made. That's fine, but just be honest with yourself about it.

I am completely fine paying $2000 if I feel like it is a decent product. The problem is I don't think it is good enough to actually use on a regular basis. I wouldn't even pay the non-US price ($1300) for the US version.

Some of these things may have been fixed, but last time I looked there were multiple issues that make it a deal breaker. The battery life is not good, the phone is huge, app compatibly is not good, cooling issues, etc.

I prefer to buy Western made products even if they cost quite a bit more money. I just want to get a decent product for the price and I don't think the Librem 5 is worth anywhere near the price.

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