Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

Post by dismalpedigree » Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 12:43 AM UTC

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Only because of a treaty. If there was monetary compensation for the water I think you would get the states and provinces on board in a hurry. I’d be more concerned about the insane water rights problems being shoved upstream to people in the great lakes basins. Telling me I can’t collect rain water to water my garden so somebody who lives in a dessert 2,000 miles away can be guaranteed the ability to water their law…

Rain barrels are legal in all states bordering the lakes. It isn't like you're stealing water that will disappear from the local environment. It's just a time delay.

Post by JoBrad » Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 12:47 AM UTC

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As a reference, China has been doing this a similar project to interconnect the North (think Beijing etc) and South (think Shanghai) water system. Heck, they have been doing it since hundreds of year ago [2]. So I guess there is a precedent. Based on this thread, I would guess that a large amount of the problem will not be an engineering one, but political and social one. Constructing such a large mega project to div…

There was also this project in USSR: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea So much water in that lake, right? But it went from 4th largest in the world to no lake.

Post by mike_d » Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 1:23 AM UTC

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I know you said protein, but calories are really the metric we want to use here. TL;DR: 2.1 calories/gallon for almonds, 5.3 c/g for tofu, 1,558 c/g for beef. Almonds consume 3.2 gallons of water each for just shy of 7 calories. 2.18 calories per gallon. Cows consume ~3,200 gallons of water from birth to slaughter, where they produce about 6 million calories. 1,875 calories per gallon. An additional 50 bales of hay t…

What are your sources for the cow info? I'm getting more like 30 kcal/gallon. A cow drinks 9-12 gallons per day [1] (assuming not lactating, which takes a lot more water; let's just say these are cows being raised purely for slaughter). Call it 10 gallons/day on average. Cows raised for slaughter live 4-6 years [2]. Call it 5 years on average. 10 gallons/day * 355 days/year * 5 years/cow ≈ 17750 gallons/cow. Finally,…

Post by roflyear » Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

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This is a great idea. People need to connect all the big problems with animal husbandry to their immediate lives so they have impetus to stop eating meat. Most people have virtually no knowledge of how bad meat really is. They just see a product on the shelf that they strongly desire.

So people would just stop eating meat and that's the end of it? Or might it be that you'd then "activate" a sizable chunk of 92%+ of Americans who eat meat to vote for the next candidate who runs on a pro-meat platform. That's a sizable enough influence that the next election would likely look like one big beef industry commercial. If being vegetarian or vegan is an important value to you then the real way to make re…

Post by roflyear » Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 2:47 AM UTC

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What are your sources for the cow info? I'm getting more like 30 kcal/gallon. A cow drinks 9-12 gallons per day [1] (assuming not lactating, which takes a lot more water; let's just say these are cows being raised purely for slaughter). Call it 10 gallons/day on average. Cows raised for slaughter live 4-6 years [2]. Call it 5 years on average. 10 gallons/day * 355 days/year * 5 years/cow ≈ 17750 gallons/cow. Finally,…

> What are your sources for the cow info? Having raised cows and some Googling. Your numbers are for dairy cows and not meat cows. Dairy cows consume a ton of water because they are intended to produce a liquid nearly non-stop, and while they are eventually slaughtered for meat it mostly ends up in dog food.