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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by AmericanChopper »

prawn wrote: post #258
AmericanChopper wrote: post #70

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Yet somehow me and my group of friends all use Instagram to keep in touch in the same way we’ve done for years, and in the same way we will likely continue to do so for years longer, mostly undisturbed by the changes that come and go…

I try to use it the same way but find the changes disturbing. More and more ads. More and more suggested content. The ratio of stuff I'm there to see versus the stuff I don't want to see isn't very good in 2022.

My friend group has gravitated heavily towards stories, which seem to be much less impacted by how the feed is curated.

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Post by sofixa »

cft wrote: post #277
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

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> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

Even though the original product is dead, they bought WhatsApp and Instagram, which are far from dead

WhatsApp isn't dead, but it isn't really monetisable. We'll see how Telegram Premium goes - personally i have it, but i doubt many people are willing to pay for a chat app with tons of free alternatives.

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Post by once_inc »

timmytokyo wrote: post #241
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

"When somebody says you can solve X with blockchain, they don’t understand X, and you can ignore them." - Nicholas Weaver

Bitcoiners in general say this too. Blockchains don't make sense except in the single, highly specific use case for which has already been implemented.

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Post by pmx »

petesergeant wrote: post #272
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers Anyone who's tried to use their advertiser tools is unlikely to agree with this. Hard to remember any software I've used with a worse user interface in recent memory.

Google ads is pretty bad too but facebook's business portal / ad manager / whatever they call it this week almost seems to be designed to be a nightmare to use on purpose. I sincerely hope a player comes along to disrupt this market with a product that is actually nice to use and offers decent customer support - these shouldn't be unrealistic wishes!

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Post by feanaro »

threeseed wrote: post #291
tomc1985 wrote: post #243

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There's an army of users out there accustomed to and just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting. Are they as sexy as the bajillion TikTok users out there? No. Are they enough to build a solid business aruond? Yes. Would facebook ever consider stepping up to the plate that built their core business again? No, because Facebook management sucks. I don't give a shit about algorithmic recommendations…

> just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting People keep saying this is what people want. Show me the numbers that it's true. Because when Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, Youtube etc. all move to this model and stick with it the evidence is clear that it's not want people want.

Did you ignore the OP's long tail mention on purpose? It may very well be not the majority wants, so we cannot be talking about wishes of any singular "people". And for this reason, this strategy may no be suitable for "growth".

But as a solid, sustainable profit source? Are you claiming that only a marginal number of people want this, or what?

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Post by randomsearch »

cft wrote: post #277
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

Even though the original product is dead, they bought WhatsApp and Instagram, which are far from dead

Instagram isn’t dead, but it does appear to be doomed. At the moment all it does it buy them a bit of time to find a way out, which they almost certainly won’t (as they’ve had a longer period to do so already).

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Post by once_inc »

xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

> Building an Instagram clone the way it used to be is fairly trivial these days. I could probably throw one together in a few months, but growing its popularity is practically impossible these days with such entrenched incumbents and no niches left to start a user base with.

Setting aside the fact that the social media platform you are cloning is probably going to sue you for copyright infringement if it takes off, you'd still be fighting the network effect. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I doubt that building a clone of a product will successfully move people from the original. Signal and telegram haven't been able to best WhatsApp.

Building it in a decentralized way probably makes it even harder.

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

pmx wrote: post #324
petesergeant wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers Anyone who's tried to use their advertiser tools is unlikely to agree with this. Hard to remember any software I've used with a worse user interface in recent memory.

Google ads is pretty bad too but facebook's business portal / ad manager / whatever they call it this week almost seems to be designed to be a nightmare to use on purpose. I sincerely hope a player comes along to disrupt this market with a product that is actually nice to use and offers decent customer support - these shouldn't be unrealistic wishes!

Haha, they AB tested on there "customers" to get them to overspend and dark patterned even the imperators salon. This is hellarious.

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Post by zerocrates »

b112 wrote: post #309
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me. I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why? Doordash, and others. https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdona…

I noticed the last time I went to a McDonalds a huge sign on the door advertising that they're on DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc., basically saying "don't come here!"

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Post by prox »

petesergeant wrote: post #272
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers Anyone who's tried to use their advertiser tools is unlikely to agree with this. Hard to remember any software I've used with a worse user interface in recent memory.

I need to explain the user interface of Facebook to one of my clients but it would be a lot easier if the interface didn’t change every week and it didn’t had 4 points of contact for settings all in different places. I guess design by committee is at work here.
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