Bad idea, Asians have done veggie meat for centuries for Buddhists who want to maintain a vegetarian diet.
France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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Both beef and canine meat are from mammals. There isn't really much difference between those. Ofc reasonable labelling is reasonable to expect. But they are still meat and nearly every human including vegans can perfectly well eat either. Same does not apply to companies that try to mislead people by calling something not meat meat or cheese or so on.
> nearly every human including vegans can perfectly well eat either. If you haven't eaten meat for decades, you will probably become violently ill if you eat meat.
Hard disagree. I grew up vegetarian and after 18 years of such a diet I found myself in an environment where I had no choice but to eat meat in order to meet my caloric intake requirements (military basic training, so it was pretty damn low quality meat too -- and don't get me started on field rations (MREs)). I most certainly did not get sick.
Anyone getting sick is most definitely having a psychological reaction (i.e.: a choice) rather than a physiological one. As a young man out in the world on my own I quickly discovered that all the anti-meat propaganda that I was raised with was nothing other than just that. No matter what you're eating, a balanced diet is paramount. Everything in moderation.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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> (edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!) I get why this is controversial, but keep in mind that a lot of countries do that. English is the outlier here, and that's because it's not being threatened the same way other national languages are.
You're both completely right, and completely wrong. You're completely right that French is far from the only language with a centralized linguistic authority. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_language_regulators ) As a matter of fact, the United States is all in as a language regulator: they have a language regulator ... for Spanish! ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Academy_of_the_... ) Where you…
French may be a bad example but at least some language regulation is actually nice, otherwise you end up with the dumpster fire that is English spelling. I say this as someone teaching two young children to read.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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I mean that’s what I assumed when I first bought them. After I realized my terrible mistake I sent a strongly worded letter to the FDA demanding they be called bufallow nuggetz to alleviate any future confusion. I mean they were right next to the mammoth bites and dodo eggs, how was I supposed to know?
Unlike the Dodo and Mammoth, Buffalo are not extinct. They are also still eaten.
Bison meat is amazing. Far superior to beef. Also all bison are free range because they are technically still wild animals.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
#325If you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.
Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and for using HN primarily for flamewar and ideological battle.
Also, we don't allow single-purpose or agenda-driven accounts here, which it looks like this one was. But the greater infraction was how you were flaming and attacking others.
Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
#327One problem is when one family member starts eating those, the rest is subject or influenced by it.
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You repeatedly broke the site guidelines and crossed into personal attack. We ban accounts that do that. I'm not going to ban you right now because it doesn't look like you've been making a habit of it, but if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.
I imagine this was probably user error on your part. The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, and also usually says 'vegan' prominently, and also there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?). And vegans still usually have to read the ingredients to make sure. Non-vegans could probably do the same if it were that important.
Cheese to me is a processed good of milk.
Vegan cheese is not, it shouldn't use cheese in it.
Eg. Gluten free cheese would be processed cheese of milk with a lot extracted out of it. But it would still originate from milk.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and for using HN primarily for flamewar and ideological battle. Also, we don't allow single-purpose or agenda-driven accounts here, which it looks like this one was. But the greater infraction was how you were flaming and attacking others. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
A warning would have been welcome, because from my point of view I was interacting mainly with other single-purpose, agenda-driven accounts that flamed me incessantly. Early on in this there was even a very creepy attempt to dox me or something similar and there was no obvious reaction to that from the site.
Anyway, sorry for causing you to ban the account.
Edit: I created this account not to break HN rules with, but to contribute my (limited) knowledge of dairy science and cheesemaking technology which I thought would be interesting to HN users, since it's not very common. I got embroiled in flame wars because threads about food invite ideologically driven posts, and because my username acts as a red flag to some users. Just this last couple of weeks I had three or four try to use it as an argument against me, to imply I have some kind of ulterior motive (profit?) for the things I post.
I believe I was being targeted and dogpiled on and that I was not getting into any constructive conversations with anyone, because all the conversations I cared to join (about food or about the environment) were always very one-sided and ideologically driven.
Oh. I also created this account because personal characteristics force me to compartmentalise my online presence.
It totally went to shit, I admit. Sorry again.
Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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> nearly every human including vegans can perfectly well eat either. If you haven't eaten meat for decades, you will probably become violently ill if you eat meat.
Hard disagree. I grew up vegetarian and after 18 years of such a diet I found myself in an environment where I had no choice but to eat meat in order to meet my caloric intake requirements (military basic training, so it was pretty damn low quality meat too -- and don't get me started on field rations (MREs)). I most certainly did not get sick. Anyone getting sick is most definitely having a psychological reaction (i…
> Anyone getting sick is most definitely having a psychological reaction (i.e.: a choice)
Thanks for letting me know!