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Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by bergenty »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #278
bergenty wrote: post #272

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Rails are too restrictive for real life. I trust a self driving fleet to respond immediately to an emergency by stopping. Maybe causing a disruption but very little loss of life or property.

Rails are too restrictive for real life? I'm not sure what you are trying to say here... Rails are widely used for real life around the globe. In many, many places rails significantly out perform cars to the point that people choose not to own cars.

Yes point A to B on extremely selective routes or if you only want to go to/between towns/cities your whole life.

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Post by lolc »

booi wrote: post #308
RajT88 wrote: post #241

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I am old enough to recall when they did so post-9/11. The US government would never give up such a capability, that would be out of character for them. But they would sure as hell pretend like they did, which is very much in character.

I think they would. There's at least 3 fully operational GPS alternatives, there's no reason to have this capability anymore. Some receivers will combine all of these systems.

All these systems are rigged to jam and spoof at the push of a button I expect.

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Post by rob_c »

This isn't the progress that was promised, this is the promise that is deserved.

Just teach people to drive better, pay them a living wage and start paying your taxes. After all of that I doubt there would be an industry here for automation because some people enjoy driving.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by rob_c »

bjoli wrote: post #316

The promises of self driving cars have always seemed weird to me. Sure, I would love to have a world where all cars are self driving. The security benefits seem large. But decreasing congestion? We already know how to do that, and in many ways it seems like a safer bet than some kind of technogy with large problems and even larger unknowns; public transport. Cheap, well developed, reliable public transport will beat…

> Cheap, well developed, reliable public transport will beat autonomous cars on throughput and resource use any day.

Remember, this is happening in a state with massive multiple public health crisis that go un-reported and has maps of human excrement in their inner-cities. The priorities here are completely in the wrong direction I agree.

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Post by rob_c »

sleepychu wrote: post #318
bjoli wrote: post #316

The promises of self driving cars have always seemed weird to me. Sure, I would love to have a world where all cars are self driving. The security benefits seem large. But decreasing congestion? We already know how to do that, and in many ways it seems like a safer bet than some kind of technogy with large problems and even larger unknowns; public transport. Cheap, well developed, reliable public transport will beat…

But you have to give up point to point, of course the overall throughput is better but the individual experience is (perceived) worse. This is why I love the idea of "public luxury" make sitting on a train or a bus nicer than sitting in a brand new mercedes.

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Post by mmustapic »

walleeee wrote: post #219
jeshin wrote: post #156

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I feel like a lot of people have kind of wisened up about this hypothetical future anyway, now that we're seeing FSD in practice. Sure, some problems would be eliminated by all cars being self driving, and the roads being tailored to that use case. But then, at the same time, trains literally run on tracks and they still have conductors.

I hope we continue to wise up If a core goal is really to make thoroughfares safer and reduce traveler injuries/fatalities, we seem to be ignoring or discounting some pretty obvious options, like minimizing car traffic This vision where we all get around in low-passenger-count autonomous robot cages on existing roadways is just one possible future but we seem to fixate on it. At the end of the day the car is a tool b…

Completely agree, there are lots of things that can be done to reduce car related fatalities, like reducing car usage, lowering the maximum speed, designing better roads (that encourage lower speeds), improve road signage, more stoplights, better pedestrian crossing and protection, reducing distances between useful places.

In parts of the city I live in it has become very uncomfortable to drive a car, there are just too many pedestrians and bikers, and this has encouraged be to bike even more. For distances of less than 6km there is no time advantage when using a car. And in the highway I just use normal driver assist functions like lane keeping and adaptive cruise control, and it's enough.

I will go even further and say that reducing injuries and fatalities is just an excuse for FSD development, so the public thinks it's a good idea to go with it. The real reason is that a fleet of autonomous taxis can be very profitable.

There is really no evidence that FSD fleets will reduce car usage or fatalities, so really it could be the wrong solution for the wrong problem.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by jwr »

paulpauper wrote: post #109

It's amazing how driverless taxies are a reality now . It shows how there is progress being made as much as there is talk about stagnation.

Being a software developer myself, I would absolutely not want to be a guinea pig (beta tester) inside a 2-ton vehicle that is controlled by software. I know too well how sausage is made.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by rob_c »

paulpauper wrote: post #109

It's amazing how driverless taxies are a reality now . It shows how there is progress being made as much as there is talk about stagnation.

Why, what does it improve?

Seriously, it removes a form of social interaction, a type of job and increases the number of vehicles on the road in certain areas again. I fail to see an improvement here. All the money pouring from this is into giant mega-corps as opposed to someone working a 9-5 and driving safely because of the perceived bad behaviour of a few. Defending this AI nonsense as "just a minor problem" is the same as condemming all taxis for "bad drivers" it's just bad logic.

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