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Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by benplumley »

ubercow13 wrote: post #284
benplumley wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of the worst Linux desktop programs I use daily. It gets scaling a bit wrong so all the icons look blurry, scrolling in chats regularly breaks (scroll wheel just does nothing but is fine in all other programs), and the one time I tried to video call in it it crashed. Discord's client is much better.

Are you using the Telegram-provided build instead of a distro build? Distro builds of it are often broken IME.

I'm using the manjaro build, I'll try Telegram's own build, thanks.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by pindab0ter »

nix23 wrote: post #319
DeathArrow wrote: post #293

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Well, I am afraid Switzerland can read our messages and then jack up the prices on watches and chocolate!

??? CN is China (mainland), CH is Switzerland, but have fun with our watches...and chocolate...we jack the joe out of it.

Except that the message they replied to said ‘ch’, not ‘cn’.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by nix23 »

pindab0ter wrote: post #322
nix23 wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

??? CN is China (mainland), CH is Switzerland, but have fun with our watches...and chocolate...we jack the joe out of it.

Except that the message they replied to said ‘ch’, not ‘cn’.

No BS? Like i said, Switzerland is now a power-block like the US ;)

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by t0bia_s »

scrollaway wrote: post #158
fartcannon wrote: post #151

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People do value that, and they also value a great UX, which Matrix also has. Additionally, matrix, doesn't forcefully associate your plaintext account with your phone number! People with a clue value that.

700,000,000 users disagree with your statements. You can’t make something true by just saying it’s true. Also your attitude is super toxic. You’re calling people who don’t value the same things you do, “clueless”. You don’t really get to bullshit people on HN — you can be super smart and skilled in your field, you’ll far too often come across people with vastly more experience than you. I invite you to think about th…

A lot of users of Telegram are those who lost WhatsApp for few hours and was looking for alternative btw... I'm not sure about values honestly.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by t0bia_s »

jonathantf2 wrote: post #301
fartcannon wrote: post #208

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Its not years behind. That's a lie. In fact Id say it's ahead because you don't need to use a phone number (huge liability), you can choose to use e2e if you want and theyre not storing your data in plaintext! Oh and all of matrix is totally open source! Wow. That's how you know you can trust it. If they decide to pull a WhatsApp and move to Facebook, you can just fork and get on with your life. I like that the teleg…

Just because it's open source doesn't mean I can trust it, I don't have the time to audit the code myself. Being open source is not a feature.

Mabye you wont, but someone else do it. It would be pointless to open code with unwanted tricks behind.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by scrollaway »

andrepd wrote: post #262
scrollaway wrote: post #14

Telegram blows my mind. Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. Discord is a close second. But the quality and polish of telegram blows me away to this day. And it’s lots of small features and details such as built in translation for messages in a foreign language, all the smooth animations, quick look and summaries of channels with agg…

>And it’s lots of small features and details such as built in translation for messages in a foreign language Is "automatically sends your message text to google" supposed to be a plus?

Who said automatically? You have to enable it. And all it does is save me the round trip to a Google translate prompt anyway so what exactly is the difference?

Seriously, sometimes people are so cynical here it makes my blood boil. Give people some credit, ffs.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by scrollaway »

philliphaydon wrote: post #264
scrollaway wrote: post #251

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Business account chat logs are read by Facebook because the chats are sent via other means than WhatsApp. I don’t believe you can verify identity on business accounts either anyway so that’s moot. As for your other examples, as I said, it’s all very circumstantial and coincidental. Not evidence. Your accusation is more serious than you think, and serious accusations need serious evidence.

I have absolutely no problem accusing Facebook. It's not like they will try to prove me wrong or anything. We only assume that WA is using e2ee, but the reality is they have told us. Never proven it.

Except that WhatsApp uses the same protocol as signal.

If you’re saying Facebook can just decrypt stuff at will, your accusations are quite extreme, and you better back it up with stronger evidence.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by Siira »

stefan_ wrote: post #188
scrollaway wrote: post #14

Telegram blows my mind. Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. Discord is a close second. But the quality and polish of telegram blows me away to this day. And it’s lots of small features and details such as built in translation for messages in a foreign language, all the smooth animations, quick look and summaries of channels with agg…

The translation feature that sends your messages to Google - via an undocumented API and a random selection of User-Agents. This is who you trust your messaging security to?

Trust a hacker or an MBA - difficult choice!

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by Siira »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #236
stereoradonc wrote: post #199

I went through the entire thread of conversations here, and I am surprised that anything related to Telegram is downvoted and the familiar trope of "security" is added. It's got best-in-class applications with lovely animations. The server now governs reactions to specific messages. Stickers are fun, with premium stickers having additional animations. From a technical perspective, they occupy least space; is "fast" a…

So you are selling your security for a fine UI.

WhatsApp is not even blocked here in Iran. There are not verifiable builds from open source clients.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by fritigern »

ako wrote: post #309
benplumley wrote: post #232

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It's one of the worst Linux desktop programs I use daily. It gets scaling a bit wrong so all the icons look blurry, scrolling in chats regularly breaks (scroll wheel just does nothing but is fine in all other programs), and the one time I tried to video call in it it crashed. Discord's client is much better.

For what it's worth, Telegram's scaling on windows is also broken. Use it with one 100% and one 200% scaling monitor, on the HDPI everything is too small to read.

Strange. I'm on a HDPI screen (XFCE) and don't have any issues with Telegram.
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