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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by bombcar »

dotnet00 wrote: post #235
newjersey wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

» I think the point you're missing is that often moderators are in that position because they specifically want the power that comes with it. I love that you were courageous enough to say this because this is completely true and also why we say #ACAB. Most people who want to be police officers are absolutely unfit to be police officers!

I hadn't actually thought about applying that reasoning to the police and while there is a higher bar to becoming a police officer, I do have to agree with the overall idea. There probably isn't any job which is an exception to this, politicians are similarly mainly people who want the associated influence and even engineers become engineers so they have control over engineering. It's just that the incentives are mor…

Once the pool for some jobs gets large enough, the self selection of those who apply for it can become a problem.

From what I understand from rumors in the area, is those who couldn't become police (for whatever reason) would then go apply at the prison, and those who couldn't get a job there (and it appears they take anyone with a pulse) would go work for TSA.

Perhaps the "public servant" idea should be taken to a larger extreme, and some positions picked by lottery instead.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by cowl »

mikkergp wrote: post #167
karaterobot wrote: post #20

I dislike this proposed feature as much as the next person, but it's worth noting that the main complaint of this article is fairly unique: they work on a channel called Motherboard, and this feature is going to cause the name of their channel to be considered a problem. Most people won't experience that specific error case. It's valid, and points to the kinds of unforeseen consequences you run into when trying to ma…

I think this article hints at an important thing though which is that language is contextual. Even if we think that we should describe mothers as birthing persons or fathers as non-birthing parents in the general context, I should be allowed to refer to myself as a father. People of color can re-claim slurs, which a correction to could probably feel paternalistic. There are lots of contexts where certain language is…

> Even if we think that we should describe mothers as birthing persons

Mother definitely does not mean birthing person. The easiest example is adoption. Would would you call the mother in that case? Adoptive Female Parent goes again against the 'rule' because it has female in there. Parent 1/Parent 2? no it has Hierarchy.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by IshKebab »

hcrisp wrote: post #139
geephroh wrote: post #15

MS: "We now concede that Clippy was the most annoying, patronizing and flawed UX feature ever created." Google: "Hold my beer..."

This AI strikes me as being so dystopian. Time to break out and read Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four again. A true AI would respond to user behavior and back off or change accordingly. Reminds me of Google News which keeps inserting articles about Kardashians no matter how often I tell it to "include fewer of these stories". For all the hype of Google's advanced AI, instead we get faceless, imperious NannyTech.

is it even AI? They claim it's a language model analysing human bias but it's blindingly obvious that it is just a human curated blacklist.

Maybe they're using a language model for part of speech tagging or to suggest alternative words with similar meaning but there's no way an AI decided that "motherboard" is taboo.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

azth wrote: post #203
user3939382 wrote: post #108

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If we're going to play this game, I think dissuading people from using "mother" in the example of "motherboard" is offensive. Mothers are the source of human life on earth, and in that capacity are revered and honored. When we say motherboard, we're making an analogy that suggests the board's significance and universal connection to everything. To discourage the term as an analogy for things that are a universal sour…

It's the natural outcome of far leftist ideologies. People need to wake up and start rejecting this destructive ideology where a person is evaluated only based on their identity. I think MLK had something to say about that.

MLK was a leftist - and arguably a "far leftist" for his time. If you're going to use him as an example, you may have to concede that this is not a "natural outcome" of leftist ideologies in general, but rather the outcome of some other selection pressure that rewards diversion from initiatives that actually affect peoples' material conditions.

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Post by Brian_K_White »

madamelic wrote: post #166
olalonde wrote: post #42

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Reminds me of when GitHub stopped using "master" for the default branch because it was somehow offensive.

My opinion: `main` is better. It's shorter, it's more descriptive, and costs nothing to remove something someone might find offensive. It's pretty much an all around win.

The mental model of how you use a certain branch could indeed be best expressed by the word "main", so no one can say the word isn't the best one for you to use.

But a master copy or version of something like a master recording or gold master for pressing records is different from merely "main".

Applied to software they are similar but not identical concepts, and neither is in any way wrong or harmful to anyone.

It's a small enough issue that it's not worth fighting very hard over, but, the rationale for the change, and especially for anyone trying to tell anyone else they have to do that change, is still invalid and the word master actually applies better if that's how you're using that branch. It has nothing to do with slave bosses.

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Post by thethethethe »

archhn wrote: post #179

This is straight up a prelude to Orwellian thought control via language modification. Can nobody really see through this corporate "woke" smokescreen? It's not about "social justice," it's about instilling totalitarian patterns in the population. There is no debate about these "woke" issues. There's an incredible intolerance on one side, and they claim to have indisputable moral superiority. Anyone who goes against t…

> There is no debate about these "woke" issues.

Uhhh isn't this thread a debate?

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Post by bombcar »

dekhn wrote: post #297
mwint wrote: post #230

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What things did Damore do wrong that you would do differently (honest question)

I would have edited the manifesto to focus on at most one-two points based mainly around the dopey stuff they were doing in DEI classes at the time, Drop all the big-five psychology stuff, and eliminate nearly all the biological claims about women's different ability and interests.

Also known as picking your battles and reducing your surface area, fight one fight at a time.

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Post by flyingfences »

reaperducer wrote: post #113
bombcar wrote: post #46

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Landlord gets hit from multiple sides; those who don't like that it contains "lord" which is a male term, those who don't like that landlords exist, and those who don't like that the concept of owning land exists.

it contains "lord" which is a male term I didn't think of that. I always thought of it as "lording over" something. As in she's the "lord of the land." That said, a landlord and a property owner are not the same thing. Many (most?) apartment buildings are owned by one company and managed by another.

> As in she's the "lord of the land."

But she wouldn't be; she'd be the "lady of the land".

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Post by duskwuff »

grishka wrote: post #269
dekhn wrote: post #13

One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

> somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. As a Russian, this is amusing to read. For me and most people I know, when you meet a black person, it's totally normal to ask them "where are you from" because they can't possibly be local. Our society just doesn't have the concept of racism it seems because of the exceeding rarity of people who aren't Eu…

> Our society just doesn't have the concept of racism it seems because of the exceeding rarity of people who aren't European or Asian.

"Slave is an Ephebian word. In Om we have no word for slave," said Vorbis.

"So I understand," said the Tyrant. "I imagine that fish have no word for water."

-- Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by influx »

burnished wrote: post #221
olalonde wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of when GitHub stopped using "master" for the default branch because it was somehow offensive.

Main is better. Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations. This one isn't a big deal.

Just FYI, it's Master as in Master record. This is different from database terminology where there is a master and slave.
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