Why 100% and not just the majority?
Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
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#322As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…
It does become an issue of government censorship when the heads of these companies are hauled before congress with the threat of breakup or regulation, while simultaneously being questioned about the "incorrect" speech they allow on their platforms.
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#323From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…
> it all started with limits on the freedom of speech
No, it all started with your citizens giving up on democracy. They probably chose safety or convenience or stability (economic, probably) or a mix of them.
That's how all democracies fail (barring ones invaded by other countries). People don't want them anymore.
Where people really want democracy, they fight for it.
It's that simple. Yet unbelievably hard to manage in practice.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#324As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…
It is completely acceptable for you to choose to moderate your platform to only allow the content you choose.
The caveat is that you should lose your 230 protections. We should only protect neutral, lawful, platforms from user generated content.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#325Mostly but not entirely off topic, just something I thought about this morning, a hypothetical feature of twitter. Imagine being able to flip a switch (a “green profile check mark”) that would disable banning and muting features for you. And will only allow another green check marks to engage in conversations with you. Will this help break the echo chambers, or will it create a tyrannical majority? Both?
This site has a feature called showdead, and I imagine this hypothetical green checkmark would be about as useful.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#326From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…
Thank you for saying so. As an older American, it’s absolutely maddening and I feel exactly the same way, insofar as people taking it for granted.
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#327This is awesome. Way to go Elon!!!
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#328As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…
I think the large issue with some of these major platforms is that there's some pretty transparent government "suggestion" into these platforms regulating speech that the government doesn't like. It's along the lines of "take care of this or you'll be getting some "help" with your taxes, stocks, etc."
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#329From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…
The irony is that Elon Musk is who calls himself a free speech fundamentalist has been quite happy to silence people's speech if it didn't suit him. Similarly all the people calling out twitter for violating free speech never complained that protesters were thrown out of Trump rallies or that he called for beating them up.
I do believe that there need to be limits on free speech and we also need to have means of equalising speech because otherwise we end up in the situation that the person with the loudest voice (the biggest resources) can say whatever they want and nobody else gets heard.
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#330This is exactly why individuals should not be allowed to have tens (let alone hundreds!) of billions of dollars in wealth - they become all-powerful and too easily subvert the will of the people. They become their own ruling class, which is unacceptable in a functioning democracy.
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