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Re: Stripe Crypto

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Oh please. Long time Stripe fan and customer here - this makes me sad from the inside. They even mention NFT marketplaces - scams all over the places. Why would they want to support use cases like that?

> Why would they want to support use cases like that? Money? They are a business

> They are a business

with poor ethics

Re: Stripe Crypto

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Stripe is largely selling well-made shovels for the gold rush here. ... This time around, they ... don't have any exposure to the volatile world of ETH or other coins. Which is... even more evil? They're encouraging an externality which harms normal people but not them.

They're not encouraging crypto anymore than a liquor store encourages alcoholism. The liquor store may lower the barrier to entry for obtaining a bottle of alcohol, but it's ultimately the alcoholics choice to enter the store and purchase it. Offering a product is not evil or immoral. It may be amoral but that's not the same as immoral. Ultimately the market decides what stays and goes except in extraordinary circums…

"Offering a product is not evil or immoral" - this is the motto of my "Heroin for kids" brand. Selling a ponzi scheme may not be illegal, but it seems plausibly immoral.

Re: Stripe Crypto

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I don't know how this applies to their crypto offering, but: > Stripe currently does not support users located in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. While users with direct or indirect activities involving Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine are not broadly considered prohibited by Stripe at this time, all major credit card networks have announced that they are ceasing services to Russian financial institutions. Additionally, Str…

Why the fsck would they block Ukrainians? Makes no sense.

I don't know but for some context, see the end of [1]. (It's not about Stripe specifically, but about why banks do this.) The whole article is useful background.

[1] https://bam.kalzumeus.com/archive/moving-money-international...

Re: Stripe Crypto

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> isn't a pyramid scheme BitConnect was an actual Ponzi scheme. I don't see how buying my coffee with DOGE counts as a "predatory investment opportunity."

Ask Elon's manipulation tactics of that specific dog coin and it's derivatives like SHIB. All scams.

You keep using the word scam. I don't think it means what you think it means. ;)

If two people want to send some bits between each other, and they both know what they're doing, it's not a scam. It may be risky, it may be unwise, it may be speculation... but scams involve deception between the receiver and the sender. And crypto is equivalent to dollars in this sense.

Re: Stripe Crypto

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How to participate in crypto? Just head to a privately owned exchange that might be traded at a stock exchange! Alternatively use a startup service that in turn relies on a privately owned backend that might as well go public at any point.

Or get to localcrypto, localbitcoin, localmonero and find a peer who is willing to give you crypto for your cash.

Which are run by private companies and take cuts don't they? Also last time I checked the rates on P2P exchanges are ridiculous for any trusted seller

Re: Stripe Crypto

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Just last year Stripe wouldn't even allow any crypto business to be their customers. You could not use Stripe if you business was crypto related. A client of mine had to switch implementation to checkout.com because of that. I wonder what changed...

Yep. Until very recently, we weren't able to support businesses selling crypto. (The regulatory details are complex.) We're now rolling out support and this page is basically about that change.

Well, regulatory details have been complex for years and capable companies with smaller compliance/legal teams found a way to do it.

My sense is it's more about the window shifting enough that it's palatable enough for a Stripe product team to stake their professional rep on now. "If Twitter and Square are doing it..."

To an extent, I wonder what the impact of the SEC ruling for BlockFi (crypto exchange) did to clarify the regs for larger companies like Stripe.

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While the energy usage of Proof-of-Stake systems like Bitcoin does seem embarrassingly excessive at first glance, I think there's more nuance here than it first may appear. One of the problems with renewables is that they are spike-y and there's a limit to how much you can control the spike. When renewable sources peak, they can put more energy into the grid than the grid can safely handle (too much power can cause d…

If that were the only energy used for blockchains, then that would definitely eliminate the environmental arguments against cryptocurrencies, but I doubt you could run large blockchains on only renewable spikes. Even then, if battery tech improves enough, I think there's a compelling case to be made that the spike energy is better sent there than to mining rigs.

> if battery tech improves enough, I think there's a compelling case to be made that the spike energy is better sent there than to mining rigs.

I don't exactly disagree - with better storage tech, we could put the energy to more immediate uses. But why postpone improving the economics of renewables until we have better battery tech (which has an unknown timeline)?

Re: Stripe Crypto

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I'm following the progress. I don't like estimating release dates for other peoples' work, but I wouldn't be surprised if your EOY estimate is correct. The biggest concern I have though, is that you can run as many testsnets as you want, but that doesn't mean the rollout is going to survive contact with the enemy. I'm very pessimistic that PoS can replace PoW in real-world usage. Once everyone is on the PoS ETH, I su…

The Ethereum PoS Beacon Chain mainnet (it’s not a testnet) has been running since December 2020: currently over 300k validator are active, with nearly 10 million “real money” ETH staked. https://beaconcha.in/ https://beaconscan.com/

Yes, and it's definitely impressive, and I know this might seem like moving the goalposts, but the market cap of Beacon is very small compared to ETH Mainnet. More importantly, it's not _the_ ETH blockchain. Beacon may be working so well because PoS is optional. The people participating in Beacon have bought into PoS on a conceptual level and are working to make it work. When you're incentivized to, you can ignore the pretty fundamental design problems of PoS.

Once ETH tries to get everyone into PoS, that's where I think problems start.

If ETH weren't so established right now through the NFT marketplace, I might suspect you'd see a jump to other blockchains, like Bitcoin, that are still on PoW. Since it is established, I worry that people will try to make it work for a few years, but it ultimately won't work, and ETH Mainnet will either be forced to revert to PoW or lose popularity to another fork.

Re: Stripe Crypto

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>IMO if you encounter any non-technical artist "excited" about NFTs, tell them to stay the hell away, or risk being seen a bad friend. Fuck that, despite me being incredibly skeptical of NFTs I’m perfectly willing to acknowledge the fact that some of my non-technical artist friends have earned 6-7 figure amounts selling NFTs.

6-7 figure amounts selling something of no worth to people who on average do not have any comprehension of it and which opens them up to fraud and scams. Great. If an artist friend of mine sells an NFT I am going to struggle with continuing to see them as a friend, because it's morally bankrupt. If a non-technical artist comes to you and asks for help selling an entirely phantom product to their presumably only-avera…

Would you consider an artist who sells a series of limited edition prints to be morally bankrupt? How is doing this via the blockchain any different (besides catering to a customer base who prefers a digital format)?

Re: Stripe Crypto

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This is a solved problem: you pay them for their work, which is how artists have made money since time immemorial. The degree to which artists can make a living off their art is a function of demand and discoverability, not whether they have a payment system (they do need this, but they already have them). I'd be curious to know what fraction of NFT enthusiasts had previously commissioned a piece of art, and of those…

In the current system when an artist creates something and sells it, they typically get paid once, often lowballed. The buyer may turn around and sell it for 100x. The buyer made far more than the artist, who gets nothing in this scenario. With NFTs the artist can get a cut of every transfer indefinitely.

That's still beneficial to the artist as it usually raises the market value for the rest of their work.
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