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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by mattkevan »

m_eiman wrote: post #219
technothrasher wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget across services, I somehow have at least three Microsoft accounts all tied to the same email address, with no way to know which account any particular service wants on any given day. Teams is particularly bad, signing me into one of the three seemingly at random so that I have to keep logging out and back in until it miraculously gets me into the correct account, guessing which password it wants each time. Any…

I like the dance I have to do to log in’ - username - password - 2fa - username - password - 2fa (but not too soon, or they’ll say I’ve used up my token supply for the day) - maybe logged in, maybe do it again

Yammer is the worst for that. And the worst, just in general.

Login -> 2FA -> Loading state for 20 seconds -> Content pops in -> Whoops, back to login.

This cycle repeats 3-4 times before it settles down. Then all the other Microsoft apps decide I’m no longer logged in and have to do the 2FA dance for every. Single. One.

Some days I end up running out of 2FA tokens and am unable to log into essential systems. It’s maddening.

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Post by mdoms »

Macha wrote: post #269
mdoms wrote: post #57

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Wake me up when I can play my sim racing games with wheel and pedal support in Linux.

Which sim racing games? I'm more of a truck sim player than a racing player, but my wheel and pedal worked as controls out of the box. For FFB I had to install an extra package, but is that really that different to installing the logitech software on windows?

Assetto Corsa Comeptizione and F1 series mostly, with Thrustmaster gear and ultra wide monitor. It's a non starter, I've checked.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

grishka wrote: post #34
larrik wrote: post #16

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Here's one: Linux is better. A lot better. If you are worried about gaming or other apps, Win7 won't be much better than Linux (won't have latest DirectX or anything), and may end up far worse by then.

Desktop linux is as much of an incoherent, barely working mess as it has always been.

Software is something that you have to fight constantly, but Windows 10 and later are unique in that they fight you back. Linux doesn't do that. Once you hammer it into obedience, it largely stays that way until you upgrade to the new LTS releases.

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Post by DangitBobby »

itronitron wrote: post #226
vjust wrote: post #70

Dialing up the annoyance level to a 11. Microsoft has spent the last 6 years or more glacially gravitating its OS-developer features towards Ubuntu. Because they couldn't do better - VSCode being the one crowning glory - and not an insignificant one. The side annoyances of a barely functional Cortana & Edge, were things I looked past, now add one more, a required account - we'll be led into unknown realms of integrat…

I actually hate VS Code after earnestly trying it for a year (2019). It is decades behind other IDEs in terms of capability.

It is really good for remote coding and collaborative coding. Seems okay for everything else. It doesn't really compete with JetBrains IDEs, but I'm sure it's competitive with other free IDEs.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

causi wrote: post #26
larrik wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's one: Linux is better. A lot better. If you are worried about gaming or other apps, Win7 won't be much better than Linux (won't have latest DirectX or anything), and may end up far worse by then.

I've dual-booted Linux for many years now but I can never get fully comfortable. I always get the creeping sensation that there's too many layers between what I'm seeing and what the computer is doing, like some button will just stop working and there's no way for me to ever figure out why, or I'll hit some truly baffling design choice and the only way to change it is to throw out my whole configuration and use a dif…

Windows feels similarly, but it's more that the OS contains a malevolent presence that's watching your every move and waiting for you to slip up. All so it can steal a little bit more of your sanity/privacy by exposing yet another bit of data, or restricting yet another option, or resetting yet another default until you're tired of changing it and leave it on factory settings.

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Post by tehbeard »

madeofpalk wrote: post #313
jl6 wrote: post #307

Can someone explain to me why Microsoft migrating my Minecraft account to my Microsoft account is not a huge security anti-pattern, given that this is the same account I use to access my high-importance Azure account? Do we really believe that the Minecraft launcher presents no additional attack surface and handles authentication material with the same rigor as the Azure login process?

I don't know about the specifics of Minecraft launcher, but usually these types of unified login schemes are all based on OAuth. The Minecraft launcher never/shouldn't get your actual login, and instead they get a scope-restricted oauth access/refresh token. So everyone is actually authenticating through the same secure interface, and even if one application's credentials get leaked, all they would give access to wou…

Do not make a second Microsoft account, it'll just end in frustration.

Story: I have two Minecraft accounts (I used to do plugin work and it made testing easier to have an alt.).

I migrated my main one to my MS account (one that's been in use with xbox and O365 for a decade+ at this point), no problem.

I migrated the second one to a new account a few weeks back after they pushed that it'll be mandatory after 10th March; usied a gmail address for the new MS account because I'm done dealing with outlook.

It all worked, for a week.... I'm now locked out of that second account, with them demanding a mobile number to "verify" it's me...

I haven't had the energy to go yell at them yet. It's the same bullshit I hear happens with twitter accounts where they also demand a mobile number.

The truth is I think my "primary" account has my mobile number already attached... and I'm scared that I'll lose access to that as well if I try to use it to unstick my second account, getting "auto-banned" in much the same way they described my second account (which ONLY ever got used to login to Minecraft) for suspicious automatically detected activity and violation of TOS.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

yepthatsreality wrote: post #56
stinos wrote: post #49

those hoping to avoid that will have to use a dummy Microsoft Account to then create a local one afterwards. And then delete the Microsoft Account? Would that leave traces?

Define “traces”. If it hits Microsoft servers with your reg key, then you’re cooked.

It's not that dramatic. They can't do much with just the reg key.

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Post by derkades »

itronitron wrote: post #239
fuster wrote: post #218

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This one absolutely kills me. Why do my kids need Microsoft accounts for this? Their official instructions ask for DOB and require checking some box about allowing my kids to sign into "third-party applications". Not to mention all the legal crap I'll have to agree to, settings to scrutinize and opt-out of to ensure privacy, etc. I am this close to just telling them that they're going to have to abandon their favorit…

I can't think of anything more off-putting when purchasing a game than having to create another account. I have yet to migrate any of our family's 6+ Mojang accounts to Microsoft and I'm not sure that I will. Migrating to a Microsoft account also coincidentally creates an XBox Live account which is a hassle I don't need. If Minecraft needs to die in order to make way for the next creative, social, non-FPS game then I…

It probably is legal because of a "we can change the terms and conditions at any time" clause, but just in case I'm not going to migrate my account until they really shut down Mojang accounts.

It seems weird to me that they give people capes as a "reward" for migrating, as if that's the only way they can legally get people to move over.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

fortran77 wrote: post #54

Why wouldn't you want your preferences to sync across your machines? I love the functionality.

It's amazing. If you trust Microsoft, that is, and they haven't shown themselves as a company worthy of trust since Windows 8/10 came out.

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Post by cheese_van »

kettro wrote: post #60
nemacol wrote: post #52

Can you use Apple products without an account? If not*, what version of Linux should I get setup with. Casual web development. I mostly use my personal machine for gaming. Edit - Typo

The obvious choice is Ubuntu. Works, is easy to use, and help is everywhere for it. Later on, you may want to branch out to More complicated Distros, but Ubuntu (or Debian) is the easy choice.

>Works, is easy to use, and help is everywhere for it.

It's so easy you can't even be smug anymore using nearly any linux distro. Damn their eyes, I worked hard in the 90's getting my linux cred. Now, grandma is using it. Time to switch to Gentoo I suppose.

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