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Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by diebeforei485 »

RubberShoes wrote: post #219

I have used 1pass for years. I think I bought my lifetime license sometime in 2014? I loved it and even advocated for our 2000+ company to adopt it back in 2018. I would say in the past 2-3 years it has slowly become an absolute nightmare. I do not recommend it to anyone anymore. They have somehow screwed up the very basic functionality of filling in passwords on any browser I try. They continue to shift features aro…

> 1Password got famous for building a great core product. It managed my logins I stored myself and autofilled them wherever I needed. It was clean and simple. Now they are so focused on growth and Product features like this that they have completely lost their way.

The issue is, the "core product" has been Sherlocked - i.e. is now an included feature on many operating systems and browsers. Apple's iCloud password manager is available on all Apple platforms plus on Windows. Android/Chrome and Windows are improving their in-built password managers as well.

So 1Password, as a business, has to pivot to selling to businesses, which is where they expect most of their revenue to come from. This has resulted in individual customers being sidelined, so perhaps you should switch to one of the free inbuilt alternatives.

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by bluehatbrit »

kodah wrote: post #317
bluehatbrit wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the majority of it is down to the pre-SaaS customers of the product. 1Password used to have a life time license and would work without any need for 1Password servers. You could backup your vaults anyway you wanted and the various clients would work with a variety of methods for syncing etc. A lot of long term 1Password users bought this and still use it, but the company no longer really do much to support it…

Ah, that makes sense honestly. I bought their lifetime license and I'm a subscription user. Kinda sounds like the right thing to do is refund the lifetime license holders if they've changed architecture and direction that drastically.

That would probably be the consumer friendly approach, or at least some kind of life time discount on the subscription platform. At the same time, a perpetual license is typically for the version you buy and that's it (old Adobe or MS Office approach) so I can see the argument for "you got it, and can still use it".

As someone who moved from LastPass to 1Password (after they aged off the lifetime license) though I'm happy and given their growth I'd imagine most of their customers are happy enough with it.

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by halostatue »

roustem wrote: post #175
Y-bar wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my own experience with Electron apps and 1Password beta a few months ago, putting resource usage aside (even if we should not): OS-native spell checking is missing. Lack of OS standard shortcuts. Everything is a single window. UX performance: lots of things has just a little bit longer.

We added spellcheck and text transformations options recently. Our team contributed a few patches to Electron to enable better macOS integration. For example: https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/32024 I believe the UX performance in 1Password 8 is better than any other app we built in the past: https://twitter.com/mitchchn/status/1491253916004147203?s=20 Would love to learn more about the standard shortcuts tha…

I have filed a couple of issues on the community board, but there are two things which are dealbreakers to me (most of the rest of the issues — including the attachment data leak — have been resolved).

1. I despise the binding of ⌘- and ⌘+ to zoom, and even more ⌘0 to zoom reset. I know that those are standard Electron things, but there’s absolutely no reason to make them priority bindings for 1Password.

Beyond the zoom binding, I find the default size too big, so I am running at two zooms down by default. Every time I go for the ⌘0 (all "displayed vaults" in 1Password 7), my zoom resets because of this nonsense. What would make more sense is to: (a) remove those bindings; (b) let one of the collections or accounts be marked as a _default_ collection or vault and bind the display of the default to ⌘0; (c) offer zoom sizes either in the view menu or preferences; and maybe (d) offer the zoom-in zoom-out functionality only in the menu.

2. I absolutely cannot deal with the fact that preferences, collection editing, and a few other things are pseudo-modals that block the use of every other part of the 1Password 8 UI. It’s the #1 thing that calls 1Password 8 out as an Electron app, and it makes me so not ever want to touch these things, which makes them far less useful on a day-to-day basis. If you are unwilling to fix the fact that these things are garbage, at least enable multi-tab capabilities (I would love to see a tabbed 1Password interface). That allows VS Code to be less immediately annoying.

These are in order of annoyance, not priority. I consider the pseudo-modal issue to be more important because it makes the new features that you and Dave speak of unpleasant to configure. Fix these, and I’m back to recommending 1Password 8 wholeheartedly. I’m even missing 1Password mini less and appreciating the replacement a bit more (it’s still not _quite_ as good, IMO, but it’s getting there).

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by KyeRussell »

RubberShoes wrote: post #219

I have used 1pass for years. I think I bought my lifetime license sometime in 2014? I loved it and even advocated for our 2000+ company to adopt it back in 2018. I would say in the past 2-3 years it has slowly become an absolute nightmare. I do not recommend it to anyone anymore. They have somehow screwed up the very basic functionality of filling in passwords on any browser I try. They continue to shift features aro…

Your reliability issues differ greatly from my experience using 1Password over…what…10 years? If anything, I’d say that the new generation of browser extension improved reliability. The UI injection only irks me for puritan reasons, but i reality seldom have issues with it.

Not to say that you’re “wrong”, but since we are sharing experiences…

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by ehPReth »

RubberShoes wrote: post #219

I have used 1pass for years. I think I bought my lifetime license sometime in 2014? I loved it and even advocated for our 2000+ company to adopt it back in 2018. I would say in the past 2-3 years it has slowly become an absolute nightmare. I do not recommend it to anyone anymore. They have somehow screwed up the very basic functionality of filling in passwords on any browser I try. They continue to shift features aro…

> If the webpage attached to the original 'save login' prompt is not the one you are on - the auto popup underneath the login field has nothing to show and I cannot manually find and enter it. I have to go to the Desktop app, search, find, and copy. My team regularly wastes minutes on this each day.

This saves users from choosing their “Google” login to use with “G00gle” - why not take the minute or two to update the password entry once with the correct or additional hostnames/websites and be done with it rather than wasting time every time one logs in (as well as encouraging bad security hygene)?

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by KyeRussell »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #3

>Set up the 1Password 8 desktop app That will be the Electron version. No thanks.

It feels a lot more appropriate to judge a piece of software based on user-facing attributes rather than technical implementation details. 1Password has a great track record of producing good software. That says a lot more than what technology they use.

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by KyeRussell »

YATA0 wrote: post #271

And here I am, logging into Linux boxes without entering passwords nor SSH keys thanks to the magic known as Kerberos. Open up my corporate laptop and login with my smart card and username/pass combo, then I can just log into any Linux machine I have authorization (group permissions) to. Been doing it this way for over a decade at this rate. It's like all of these password manager tools were created by people who've…

Lol. Kerberos? Smart cards!? What if I have less than a full team of full time employees able to be put aside to implement a solution? I, as a developer, could integrate 1Password’s solution in my org in an afternoon. Enterprise tooling isn’t for everybody. That approach is what gave us the needless proliferation of Kubernetes.

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by [deleted] »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #191
bitexploder wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It objectively is since I never transmit the private key bits to the server. Passwords usually require the whole secret be blasted about the Internet (albeit encapsulated in TLS, usually).

Hint, the server won't be the hostile party stealing your keys here. Neither will be your ISP.

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Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by KyeRussell »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #191
bitexploder wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It objectively is since I never transmit the private key bits to the server. Passwords usually require the whole secret be blasted about the Internet (albeit encapsulated in TLS, usually).

Hint, the server won't be the hostile party stealing your keys here. Neither will be your ISP.

Why be obtuse? Are you talking about compromising the client machine? In which case, you’ve already lost all your keys, and you’re relying on their passphrases being set.

Re: 1Password for SSH and Git (Beta)

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Post by diesal11 »

rcarmo wrote: post #99

I'd rather use Secretive ( https://github.com/maxgoedjen/secretive ), to be honest. I've stopped using 1Password everywhere I can due to their product "focus", and am working my way through a set of alternatives (currently using Secrets on the Mac and looking at the KeePass ecosystem, which keeps improving monthly): https://taoofmac.com/space/apps/1password Edit: It's been fun watching this get upvoted and downvoted…

Massive fan of Secretive myself. Use it for all my SSH keys.
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