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Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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$7.9mm of ~ $8mm total donations came from the U.S. and Canada. Please don't say things that are flatly untrue.

> $7.9mm of $8mm total donations came from the U.S. and Canada. Please don't say things that are flatly untrue. Where is your evidence of that?

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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> oppose vax mandates why? could you explain your stande on other mandates/requirements and what's this vax mandate does that makes it so different? (eg. you need a passport/visa-like thing to enter, you need clothes, if you arrive by car that needs papers and a valid safety profile, you need to use the seatbelt, and so on)

If you really want to know why I oppose them honest to God? Because whenever the government does something, or is given the ability to do something, whether de jure, or de facto, I ask myself "Would I feel comfortable with my worst political enemy having the power to do this?" EDIT: The answer I was responding to edited his answer before I finished posting, so the original question was just. "Why do you opposse vax m…

That could be applied to making any law. We're talking about a specific law. This specific law lets Canada transition to endemic Covid, where there is enough community immunity that its public health system isn't overwhelmed and rationed. Without it, Canadians either have to wait through prolonged mitigations until community immunity is built up naturally or Paxlovid supply becomes sufficient, suffering the economic consequences of those mitigations, or rip the mitigation band-aid off and let care be rationed (and divert taxes to pay for all the hospitalizations) until natural immunity takes care of the problem. If my worst political enemy likewise justified their policies in my interest, I would happily let them implement those policies. If my best political friend did not justify a policy in my interest, I would oppose it. Each policy should be evaluated on its merits.

Your appraisal is an example of the slippery slope fallacy. The only slippery slope is encouraging people to evaluate policies by who is proposing them rather than whether the policy is beneficial. Then the person who is proposing policy can get away with policies that are more and more in their interest and less in mine. As long as the standard of evaluating policy by whether it is beneficial is upheld, there is no slippery slope.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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post #216

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> oppose vax mandates why? could you explain your stande on other mandates/requirements and what's this vax mandate does that makes it so different? (eg. you need a passport/visa-like thing to enter, you need clothes, if you arrive by car that needs papers and a valid safety profile, you need to use the seatbelt, and so on)

If you really want to know why I oppose them honest to God? Because whenever the government does something, or is given the ability to do something, whether de jure, or de facto, I ask myself "Would I feel comfortable with my worst political enemy having the power to do this?" EDIT: The answer I was responding to edited his answer before I finished posting, so the original question was just. "Why do you opposse vax m…

I assume you are a big opponent of capital punishment and nuclear weapons, then.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Over a quarter of trade between the US and Canada goes between Detroit and Windsor, so the scale hasn't been overblown but there's a question as to why is blocking trade off the table? Seems like another case of things being ok if they impact humans but as soon as corporations are inconvenienced, the gloves have to come off and the humans treated as terrorists. If the humans would go back to their gated free speech z…

Would you not agree that there are people behind the economic damage? Just calling it hurting corporations dehumanizes the automotive works that have been put out of work due to the temporary plant closures that the blockade has caused.

The thing is, if you don't disrupt the chain, status quo is maintained.

...This is also why JIT logistics is incredibly fragile. Our economic sects have been shirking the inherent risk of long tail disruptive events for the better part of my life.

There is a certain schadenfreude to seeing the come-uppances.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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post #216

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> oppose vax mandates why? could you explain your stande on other mandates/requirements and what's this vax mandate does that makes it so different? (eg. you need a passport/visa-like thing to enter, you need clothes, if you arrive by car that needs papers and a valid safety profile, you need to use the seatbelt, and so on)

All government mandates are enforced at the barrel of a gun.

This sounds scary, but is it a bad thing?

It depends on the mandate but the gun barrel is generally at the end of a long chain of escalating non-cooperation that starts with a sternly worded letter.

Some governments are more trigger-happy than others, but at least in gentler societies, to get to the point where you're looking at a gun barrel, you'd probably have to respond somewhere along that chain with significant violence yourself.

In societies where you are allowed to carry a gun, the government having an even bigger gun is rather implied by the word enforced, because a mandate couldn't be called enforced if the police could only hand sternly-worded letters to you while you ignore it and shot at them.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Sounds a little silly to confiscate the assets of the people bringing the food to your table. That and the towies in the area are refusing to move any of the trucks. Trudeau just looks weak at this point, and for a prime minister that got in because of his good looks and his dad's popularity it's not a good omen.

90% of truckers are vaccinated. [0] This isn't "truckers" protesting, this is the radical fringe. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/canada-truck...

Please tell me more about how no vaccinated persons oppose vaccine mandates.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…

> First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana ... My understanding was this was about the mandates and restrictions themselves not about the vaccine. I mean I am vaxxed and oppose vax mandates.

Just want to make sure everyone has the correct piece of data to think about this.

The mandate says that non-Canadian truckers need to be vaccinated to enter the country.

The mandate says that Canadian truckers, if they are not vaccinated, are not going to be exempt from the normal border entry measures, which is that they'd need to quarantine on entry unless they are vaccinated.

The US has a similar mandate for Canadian truckers, they're not allowed to enter the US without being vaccinated.

It's a little strange, because it effectively means that a trucker, either US or Canadian, who want to cross the boarder and then come back needs to be vaccinated because the other country forces them to do so.

Each respective country doesn't force their own citizens Trucker to be vaccinated, but Canada does force them to quarantine on entry if not. That said, this doesn't really matter because to enter the other country they'll have to be vaccinated anyways.

> I mean I am vaxxed and oppose vax mandates.

How do you feel about paying for healthcare of people who are not vaccinated and need care to treat COVID?

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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1 out of 3 colonists supported the American revolution. It's not wise to stomp on such a large and vocal portion of your population.

Did you have the same attitude towards the summer 2020 protests in the US?

All that matters is that - generally - the politicians and media opposed to these protests supported the 2020 protests and encouraged people to violate stay-at-home measures at the then-height of the pandemic - pre-vaccine - because they claimed that cause overrode the Covid exposure risk.

And they wonder why large swathes of the public find it difficult to trust them.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…

$7.9mm of ~ $8mm total donations came from the U.S. and Canada. Please don't say things that are flatly untrue.

And of course Russian intelligence are too stupid to open a Canadian bank account.
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