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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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This is competely wrong. See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

Why is that article still a preprint?

It was posted less than two months ago, that’s a pretty normal time frame for a paper to stay in review depending on the field and journal. Often there are two rounds of review even if the reviews only call for minor revisions

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

It probably does reduce transmission because it helps your body defeat it more rapidly, in some cases so quickly that you don't even notice you had it. More rapidly = less time to transmit it to other people.

That is not necessarily true. I wonder if Omicron is so contagious because far bigger share have mild symptoms and don't stay at home.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

This isn't really specific to COVID though, any serious illness can do a real number on you. Anecdote: I'm an avid runner and cyclist, but after I had dengue fever, it took me months to regain my fitness. I used to run 10K's before breakfast, but the first time I attempted a 5 km walk afterwards, I was basically comatose for the rest of the day.

When I got dengue I was really bad for a few days but quickly recovered and actually improved my fitness/health due to changing lifestyle (so it's biased). Wasn't it chikungunya?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

> Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.

This isn't a true statement. It depends on the age group. Flu is far more deadly to young children whereas COVID rarely even results in a cold in younger children.

But to your point, basically any infection that causes systemic inflammation can increase heart disease risk. Even the common cold is dangerous for people at high risk of heart disease.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

The only study that I've seen compare Covid-19 to the flu is one related to long-covid. You can have long-covid-like symptoms after the flu, but it is about twice more likely with Covid-19 than with the flu. https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo... I guess there are others, I just didn't randomly stumbled across them.

Think a study should consider duration of symptoms as well as how often they occur.

I have had post-viral symptoms after flu a few years ago and long-covid now. Recovery after flu was about 6 months, I'm coming up to two years with long-covid.

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If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.

>If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe. It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any scientist worth their money understands the importance of challenging the status quo. Unfortunately nowadays, especially on the topic of COVID, chal…

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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I see endemic used to mean different things. I think most people just mean that it is now established and won't go away. That it will be a constant presence in our lives. I believe epidemiologists also require that infection rates remain roughly constant and don't exhibit wild swings in infection numbers. I guess we're still in an epidemic.

Epidemiologically, endemic is that the rates of disease are within expectation - for example, there's a statistical threshold for flu every year. There can still be swings - seasonal diseases for example. There is no sane universe where COVID-19 is endemic from an epidemiological standpoint. It also doesn't imply that we should stop doing things.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'd add that endemic also doesn't mean mild.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.

Somewhat off-topic, but my favorite game now is one upping the COVID conspiracy theorists. Whenever they talk about the pandemic being engineered by the world elites, I say: “You really think it has been created here on Earth? Oh, poor you! It obviously has extraterrestrial origin!”.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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I think this is far from estabilished. I think increase in myocarditis in young males could be fully explained by how they changed their (social) behavior after getting their second dose after a year of lockdowns. Exposing themselves to additional risks including covid which we know the vaccine doesn't protect completely against.

My anecdotal experience doesn’t chime with this. I got myocarditis with a covid infection in Apr 2020. Then again, starting almost exactly 24 hours after my first vaccine dose just as other flu-like symptoms kicked in. The rates are low, but I’m pretty sure it can have this effect.

I think any immune response could trigger miocarditis in you. You got it after a covid vaccine but you might have gotten it after another vaccine or a flu or a cold.

Probably prior infection to covid put you at greater risk of getting miocarditis for any reason.

I hope it'll get better for you in the long run. Take care.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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That's terrible, I hope you're recovering to the best possible. Do you happen to know what was your blood pressure prior to the heart attack, and/or your apob level? At least you should have it checked now (I assume that's what have been prescribe by your doctors). It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a pot…

"It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a potential coronavirus infection with no symptoms." He's saying that he has an effect 2 months after the vaccine. Is that not also worthy of consideration, or do you include it as an epigenetic factor?

> or do you include it as an epigenetic factor?

Well, in my mind `epigenetic = biological age * food intake`, where `food intake` is 'is he eating a consistent healthy diet, given that a typical person not eating healthy will surely says that she's eating healthy'. It's (unfortunately) enough to be >30yo, having bad genes around cholesterol handling pathways and eating a standard american diet (even without significant overweight) to be in the danger zone in terms of cardiovascular risks.

ApoB in the golden (and recent) blood test here. OP: given that you have experienced chest pains, and if it's not the case already, go have your ApoB checked and ask for statins if needed: your 60yo you will thank you.

And, in my own and non-important opinion: don't waste your time even thinking about potential link between your condition and covid/vaccine, this is a path that leads nowhere in terms of prevention of futures attacks.

Source: https://peterattiamd.com/measuring-cardiovascular-disease-ri...

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