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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by goodguyamericun » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:23 AM UTC

thebigjewbowski wrote: post #269

I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

Well, nyt and wapo got a Pulitzer for a made up collusion, and most don't even know that Durham report has claimed it was so (made up) and therefor pulitzers were badly earned. Still think media is honest?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by cardosof » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:23 AM UTC

Question: out of those 113, how many of the guests are associated with: the left, the right, pro-vaccines, anti-vaccines, pro- alternative treatments (ivermectin), anti alternative treatments?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by cosmotic » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:23 AM UTC

voisin wrote: post #186

ahmed_ds wrote: post #131

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…

Over-sexualization is a bit different than legitimizing COVID denial and quack medicine and so are the consequences of each.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by concinds » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:26 AM UTC

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead.

It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that.

The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empower companies that keep hurting them. Users are doing that, and creators follow.

Imagine Tim Ferriss gets banned from all "non-open web" platforms today: podcast app indexes, Google Search, Twitter, Facebook, Spotify. We'll imagine he gets banned for zero reason: did nothing wrong, did nothing different, isn't any intrinsically less relevant or popular than he was yesterday. What's left is his website (if you remember the URL), and newsletter if you're already subscribed. You can add his podcast URL to your podcast app, but his podcast doesn't appear in Search. How much of his reach does he lose, overnight? 50%? 75%?

Google Search isn't the "open web", and if they don't list you, you don't exist. How can one creator fix that?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Talanes » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:27 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #33

jimmygrapes wrote: post #20

Remember all those times you have seen gaslighting ideologues saying "nobody is actually calling for [canceling/deleting/censorship]", remember how they couch any argument with "private company can do what it wants". I don't care about Joe Rogan in particular, but you're deluding yourself if you think there isn't some relevance here. A lot of people now suddenly hate Joe, the same way they hate Jordan Peterson, the s…

This is a private company paying him $100 million dollars to be exclusively on their platform. If he had kept doing his podcast instead of whatever you call what he does now podcast in name only he couldn’t have been banned. Even if he was removed from the popular podcasts directories, all of the real podcast players allow you to subscribe by entering a URL to an RSS feed. He took the money. He knew what he was getti…

Exactly. Strip away all of the usual Rogan drama, and this situation is a case study on the strength of podcasting's distributed nature, and the danger that comes with giving that up to cash out.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by stjohnswarts » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:28 AM UTC

nomilk wrote: post #239

waffle_maniac wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has fringe people on his show to drive engagement. Fauci is not going to pay the bills.

Sure, but : 1. Lots of correct scientific ideas were considered outright heretical (not just merely fringe), prior to mainstream acceptance. If you exclude 'fringe' ideas, you exclude the bad ones and the good ones. 2. People who get duped will simply stop listening. Example: This week I was duped by a youtuber, and will never rely on that source again [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30137025

yes but 99.99% of antivaxxer logic is easy to disprove with known science. I'm going with statistics on something as trivial as a podcast. Also I think people that don't like JR experience have two really good options, unsubscribe or simply don't listen to him. Why is everyone so negative? Lots of -good- people are on spotify, why concentrate on the negative? I just don't get why to the cancel culture types everything has to be cancelled or their world is completely out of balance and existence is awful.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gnicholas » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:30 AM UTC

Tenoke wrote: post #319

gnicholas wrote: post #305

I wonder what rights Rogan might have to publish these episodes elsewhere, or to litigate their removal. Presumably he didn't sign a contract saying "you can have all my episodes and can remove as many of them as you want from the internet, with zero consequences".

There's almost definitely some exclusivity clause in the contract they signed, even if we don't know the details. I doubt he can republish them unless they fully break off the partnership

I’m sure there is an exclusivity clause regarding episodes they are distributing. But I would imagine he might have secured the right to have ownership revert to him for any episodes they pull. It’s not like they wouldn’t have considered the possibility that they might want to pull some of his episodes at some point.

Having the rights revert would have the dual benefit of enabling him to distribute such episodes, and disincentivizing spotify from pulling episodes too aggressively.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sofixa » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:35 AM UTC

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mikeyouse » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:36 AM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #240

joecot wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand as a male in my 30s spotify recommends Joe Rogan and Jorden Peterson to me approximately every 5 minutes.

I can't watch a YouTube video without getting a JP recommendation.

I had honestly assumed after JP ended up nearly dying in a shady Russian "alt therapy" detox facility for his benzo addiction, at least partially due to the all-meat diet his crank daughter developed, the fervency of people suggesting him as some sort of "authority" would die down. Jokes on me I guess.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 5:37 AM UTC

TOMDM wrote: post #218

qaq wrote: post #136

I think this will lead to outcome that few people cheering for this are anticipating. Musk, Thiel etc. will back an alternative platform that will host JRE, Lex, Jordan Peterson etc. and in the long term it will win due to being less restrictive. Which in the long term is prob a positive thing.

Man, I'm not a huge Lex fan, but are we really going to lump him in with Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson? This also speaks to me of a solution in search of a problem. You know what's really non restrictive? Distributing MP3s via RSS.

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