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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by _ph_ »

coldtea wrote: post #308

> So, all-in, the Pro Display XDR is $7,000. Which is, charitably, absurd. In what planet is it "absurd"? Because the calibrated monitors it competes with (from Sony, etc) cost around $10K to $20K.

It is absurd if you don't compare it to other video reference monitors but being the only alternative for a large screen with 200 ppi resolution. The problem is the huge gap between this screen and almost every other screen outside. There are plenty of developers which would be happy to pay good money for 30" 200+ ppi screen. But the Apple Pro Display is very expensive for that and has some weaknesses as being optimized for something else (video production). It also isn't a really great screen otherwise. It doesn't even come with a second video input.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by _xnmw »

alin23 wrote: post #3

Yep, having the same problem. I'd love an Ultrawide with comparable pixel density as the 14" Macbook Pro. I'm sitting on a very large database of monitor data coming from Lunar's diagnostics and error reporting ( https://lunar.fyi ) Maybe I should organize it into Postgres and then search for monitors with the PPI I want. Or is there any easier solution than Postgres for fast ingesting some JSONs and filtering by arb…

Postgres? Seriously, for one-off playing around? Just use Airtable and you can do all the filtering and nesting you want. Plus then you can share it with us and we can collaboratively contribute.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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_xnmw wrote: post #323
alin23 wrote: post #3

Yep, having the same problem. I'd love an Ultrawide with comparable pixel density as the 14" Macbook Pro. I'm sitting on a very large database of monitor data coming from Lunar's diagnostics and error reporting ( https://lunar.fyi ) Maybe I should organize it into Postgres and then search for monitors with the PPI I want. Or is there any easier solution than Postgres for fast ingesting some JSONs and filtering by arb…

Postgres? Seriously, for one-off playing around? Just use Airtable and you can do all the filtering and nesting you want. Plus then you can share it with us and we can collaboratively contribute.

Could I easily import 30k large and arbitrarily nested JSONs into Airtable?

I'd love to have something with an easy to use UI for filtering that can also be shared.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by _ph_ »

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

Well yeah, but while I am a professional, I am not earning $300k plus. So some budget constraints apply. Ironically, I might have considered an Apple Pro Display when it came out, if Apple had sold a computer to go with it :p. Now with the M1Max laptops, things are starting to look differently.

But there are several issues with the Apple Pro Display if you are not a video artist:

- it uses a lot of power and even requires a fan.

- it does have only one input port. Of all companies, Apple might consider the use case that you need to connect your (work) laptop and your (private) Mac to your screen.

So the price isn't only pretty much outside of the budget of most mortals, even if you treat it as a once in a lifetime luxury expense, it is quite limited. I so hope either Dell makes a screen with the same panel, but with ports ans somewhat less expensive, or Apple makes a consumer screen again, I hope so much it is larger than 27", I find this size too limited. And if they do, please give it more than one port.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by aimor »

vvoaterr wrote: post #198
xyzzy123 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables . Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down. Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways. Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "goo…

Regarding ridiculously-expensive Apple heirloom tools: Go to eBay right now, and buy any Activation-Locked Apple device. It's OK, I'll wait. === ==== OK, now: try to use it to do something. Anything. Something as simple as write a NOTEPAD note, or play one song from iTunes. === ==== Nope! You are surely getting screenfulls of information telling you, this Apple device has been locked and only the original owner can u…

What do you want exactly, for people to have the right to repair the products that they own? Ridiculous! It can't be done!

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by _xnmw »

alin23 wrote: post #324
_xnmw wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Postgres? Seriously, for one-off playing around? Just use Airtable and you can do all the filtering and nesting you want. Plus then you can share it with us and we can collaboratively contribute.

Could I easily import 30k large and arbitrarily nested JSONs into Airtable? I'd love to have something with an easy to use UI for filtering that can also be shared.

Yes, the Pro plan allows 50k rows per Airtable base. Arbitrary JSON can't be imported easily though, you'll have to convert it to CSV or use the API to dump data.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by Liron »

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

People aren’t thinking clearly about this because of how cheap all monitors are. Here’s how I think about it:

For a software engineer, all monitors are worth $100k+. This particular monitor is worth $110k+. So yes, spend an extra few $k to get the best.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by Matthias247 »

vbernat wrote: post #148
naikrovek wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's a matter of connectors and display bandwidth. Apple's extra-expensive display doesn't use HDMI or DisplayPort connectors, it uses a proprietary connector. edit: I'm wrong on that. oops. apparently that invalidates my entire point. (it doesn't) display bandwidth matters, and connectors are where display bandwidth goes to die. apple had to design a special one for the bandwidth requirements of that display. it's n…

DisplayPort 1.4 (quite old and common) has 8k at 60Hz. DisplayPort 2.0 has 16k at 60Hz. How is that not enough?

I think at the time the 5k Mac screens arrived only DisplayPort 1.2 was available, and probably some of the chips they use still only support that. But indeed - since time moved on and DisplayPort can now do 8k/60Hz it would be nice to see more screens going beyond 4K and supporting it.
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