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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by cwkoss »

smsm42 wrote: post #284
015a wrote: post #170

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"Take their money and run" is one of those standard operating practices in big tech that I think obviously needs legislation to curb. Once you start looking, you see it everywhere; whether its movies on iTunes, books on Kindle, or costumes in Fortnite. If you break their ToS, they're allowed to cancel your account, without recourse, and take away all the content you purchased. Its especially egregious in gaming, wher…

What you don't seem to realize here is that various app stores, etc almost never sell you any content. They sell you a temporary revokable right to access content. It's like a movie theater ticket, with an added bonus of ushers being paranoid assholes that could kick you out any moment without a reason. You don't own the movie, you can just watch it, if you're lucky. If you think that service isn't worth the price -…

That's bullshit, but it's what the IP marketplaces want you to believe.

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Post by Mezzie »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #310
pratik661 wrote: post #301

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> if you're in north America, take heart that its not your fault! The American dating market is absolute garbage. What do you mean?

People can't handle truth and I'd rather not be downvoted to oblivion. Suffice to say, the american dating market is heavily geared towards attractive white men over 6 ft tall. They better also be a millionaire if you're in the bay area. I'd suggest traveling like I have to southeast Asia, Europe and latin America for extended periods of time and see for yourself.

> Suffice to say, the american dating market is heavily geared towards attractive white men over 6 ft tall. They better also be a millionaire if you're in the bay area.

The lesbian dating market is a bit different. ;)

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by siliconc0w »

IMO, if your market share is bigger than ${some number}, you shouldn't be able to deny service without a documented reason, it should have some sort of time-to-live (i.e 1 year), and there should be an appeals process. In a functioning marketplace, companies would be naturally incentivized to care about customers but that stops working in uncompetitive industries (which currently describes most of the economy).

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

vlovich123 wrote: post #248
999900000999 wrote: post #149

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Then at least cancel his subscription. I can imagine a scenario where you need to login to cancel your subscription, but can't login because your banned. A while back Tinder was trying to bypass the Google Play subscription system so this is very possible.

They did if he signed up from Tinder.com. Not cancelling is if he subscribed via Play/App Store which presumably they have no control of on their side?

You can cancel user subscriptions through Play Store, but not through App Store. Yet another way that Apple is truly terrible to developers.

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Post by ipaddr »

sokoloff wrote: post #295
MereInterest wrote: post #266

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The right to remain silent is a vital right in criminal court cases, but certainly doesn't apply to our own conclusions. Consider that only Tinder has records indicating whether there was a ToS violation, and what that violation was. Tinder is not releasing those records. Tinder has a financial incentive to claim that there is a ToS violation. Putting those three items together isn't proof that Tinder is lying, but i…

How do you know the blog author doesn't have evidence of a ToS violation (that they're not sharing)? Similar incentives to shade the story exist on both sides, I think.

The blog author isn't the one who stated a tos occured. The company would need to provide proof. The author could refute that with their own data afterwards.

If someone says you stole something should we ask you for proof that you did and if you fail to provide proof should we say you are being shady by not answering?

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Post by VRay »

zionic wrote: post #205
polote wrote: post #44

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

>This has nothing to do with Big tech. If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, As I said in my comment up-post, Tinder has a near-absolute monopoly in my area. If you're not on Tinder you basically don't exist on the local dating market. Yes, the future sucks.

OK, I've been married for a long time and never had any luck with any dating service before that, but I don't think that's necessarily as true as you think

You're within 2-3 degrees of separation of dozens or hundreds of single people you can date, so if you just start putting the word out among your friends, family, etc I think they'll start introducing you to people

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Post by inglor_cz »

jonnybgood wrote: post #135
wayoutthere wrote: post #77

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As a woman, Tinder is fine if you wanna find a fuck buddy and don’t take it seriously. I see a lot of people (men and women) get wrapped up in the swipe game and that’s really not how it works. You can’t take anything that happens on that platform personally. Unfortunately, rule #1 on tinder is “be physically attractive”. If you want tinder to work for you consistently as a man, get your personal hygiene in order and…

Why is that rule unfortunate? Why would someone date or hookup with someone they're not physically attracted to?

Not the OP, but attraction is a complicated, multi-dimensional beast and the unfortunate thing about Tinder and similar apps is that they reduce all of this to a 2D, possibly doctored, photo of the user.

In real life, people who do not look gorgeous can still sweep you off your feet by their smile, laughter, gestures, tone of voice, scent, the way they move, talk, react, fall into daydream...

Of all my previous lovers, ending with my wife of 16 years, I wouldn't choose a single one based just on a picture. But I was strongly attracted to all of them in real life.

Human magic cannot really be distilled into an algorithmic system. Not yet, anyway.

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Post by akimball »

sepnax wrote: post #124
tejohnso wrote: post #117

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> You're suggesting that tinder is a vital service for some aspect of life now(I agree, unfortunately) Tinder being a "vital service" sounds absurd.

Do you not think that reproduction is a basic need?

That’s a deep question about the semantics of “basic need”, and highly subjective. I do not think that reproduction is a basic need of the individual in ordinary language, but it may be deemed a basic, I.e. survival, need of the species or tribe

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Post by akimball »

jokoon wrote: post #183
polote wrote: post #44

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

I know a woman who got banned on two apps, including tinder.

That’s hot

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

cwkoss wrote: post #315
sokoloff wrote: post #295

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How do you know the blog author doesn't have evidence of a ToS violation (that they're not sharing)? Similar incentives to shade the story exist on both sides, I think.

I trust that tinder has an incentive to steal money to a greater extent than blog author has an incentive to get internet points.

I think you underestimate what people will do for internet points.
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