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I have a 3D printed leg to do that. They even showcase it here on their website: https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/printables/

Nice work! Thanks for the tip!

Lest you think that I made the leg model—I did not. Sorry to give that impression. I made an instance of it which has been helpful. :)

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Did your doctors or therapists consider Thoracic Outlet Syndrome? I've struggled with severe pain in shoulders, arms, hands and fingers for several years. It was sort of discovered by accident. They removed both of my first ribs (rib resection) and in combination with a Kinesis keyboard and a Wacom pen and tablet as a mouse replacement it's much better now. Unfortunately, the solution came a bit late. The strain on m…

What. You complained about back pain and your doctors ended up removing your first ribs?

I had severe pain in my fingers, hands, arms, shoulders, neck and head. Back pain came only in a later stage.

For my pain in hands, arms and fingers, the root of the problem was thoracic outlet syndrome. Exercises and physical therapy didn’t help, so the only option left was a rib resection, the removal of the first rib on my left and right side. It’s better now, but unfortunately years of compression of the nerves an blood vains resulted in permanent nerve damage.

Unfortunately the second rib resection caused a severe brachial plexus injury, resulting in extreme pain, weakness and the inability to use my left arm for several months. I couldn’t hold a glass of water, grap a small object or lift a pen above my shoulder. It took about 18 to 24 months of intense physical therapy to partially (80-90%) recover from that.

For my neck pain the remedy was an anterior cervical discectomy and fusion, surgery to remove a degenerative disc in the neck. I still have headaches on a regular basis, occipital neuralgia to be precise, 3 or 4 times a month. Pain killers and laying down in a dim or dark room for 18 to 36 hours (in bad cases) helps.

And for my back pain I’m on a steady schedule of 5 to 6 Radiofrequency Facet Joint Denervations a year, supplemented with 2 or 3 epidural infiltrations to counter radiating pain in my right leg. After 4 or 5 months the positive effects of the denervation gradually decreases. In that case I can use a medical TENS unit to treat the pain.

And, of course, painkillers: the extended-release form of tramadol.

And it all started with some pain or inflammation in my right wrist, easily fixable with an ergonomic mouse, keyboard or better posture, right?

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Semi-related: I've had a basic ergo keyboard (MS sculpt ergonomic) for a while and it's much much better than regular keyboards; However I think all ergo keyboard companies are missing the point those days: "Just-a-keyboard" doesn't cut it anymore in the world of laptops. I want an ergonomic keyboard with a built-in Macbook-class touchpad, or ThinkPad-class trackpoint + three buttons . (I know it's tricky, especially…

> Are there any examples of ergo keyboard with built-in pointing device?

https://www.keymouse.com/

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Did your doctors or therapists consider Thoracic Outlet Syndrome? I've struggled with severe pain in shoulders, arms, hands and fingers for several years. It was sort of discovered by accident. They removed both of my first ribs (rib resection) and in combination with a Kinesis keyboard and a Wacom pen and tablet as a mouse replacement it's much better now. Unfortunately, the solution came a bit late. The strain on m…

After years of pain, I was also diagnosed with TOS. I will not go for surgery however, as this can make things more complicated. A split keyboard (I got the moonlander some months ago) did have a little effect for me, however not a huge one I was hoping for. I'm trying/doing a lot of posture related exercises. Some days its better, some days its hard to get through the work day. Would appreciate any hints which made…

I would definitely recommend a sit-stand desk. Variation is key. Try to figure out if holding your shoulders up or down makes things worse and adjust your arm support accordingly. A good desk chair can help, with adjustable or removable arm support. You can try out different ergonomic keyboards or mice, but that can get pretty expensive, with no guaranteed results (and lots of frustration). Look on eBay for used ones or find a vendor with an extended return policy.

Take enough breaks, no matter what. Take a walk, no matter how short. Get the blood and nerve signals in your arms flowing.

Switch between desktop, laptop or tablet during the day. Use them for specific tasks (like reading mails on your tablet, development or content creation on your desktop and casual browsing on your laptop.

But I’m pretty sure you’re already familiar with most of my advice.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Did your doctors or therapists consider Thoracic Outlet Syndrome? I've struggled with severe pain in shoulders, arms, hands and fingers for several years. It was sort of discovered by accident. They removed both of my first ribs (rib resection) and in combination with a Kinesis keyboard and a Wacom pen and tablet as a mouse replacement it's much better now. Unfortunately, the solution came a bit late. The strain on m…

Pretty sure I have TOS too — it's how I came to discover Kinesis keyboards. It's manageable for me now, but I would be curious to find out if there was nerve damage so that I know how further I can improve and what's futile. Can I ask how the doctors determined that there was damage to your arm nerves? E.g. what sort of imaging / tests do they do?

In my case, the first clue came by accident. The MD asked my to hold my arms up and after a short time it became really painful and intolerable. Another one rest is taking your pulse by hand while holding up your the arm. If the pulse is pretty weak, hard to feel or completely disappears, that’s a strong indication for TOS.

An electromyography or EMG is also often used to determine neuromuscular problems or nerve damage.

A MRI scan can also reveal TOS problems, but the medical technicians must be familiar with it the tests and and execute them correctly. In my case the MRI scan was negative, probably because the test was only partially done (in hindsight).

For me, the real confirmation came after an extensive arterial duplex ultrasound examination at a university hospital. Various head rotations, arm and shoulder positions were examined. In some positions the arterial flow in my arm completely disappeared. The examining specialist physician, a professor of medicine and specialised in TOS, called it one of the most clear cut cases of TOS he has ever seen in his career.

Based on the MRI scan there were some serious doubts that TOS was the problem, bus the ultrasound tests made it perfectly clear. It’s shows that it is really important that you consult doctors or surgeons very familiar with Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Search on the internet for recommendations or specialised medical departments.

Best of luck!

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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After years of pain, I was also diagnosed with TOS. I will not go for surgery however, as this can make things more complicated. A split keyboard (I got the moonlander some months ago) did have a little effect for me, however not a huge one I was hoping for. I'm trying/doing a lot of posture related exercises. Some days its better, some days its hard to get through the work day. Would appreciate any hints which made…

I would definitely recommend a sit-stand desk. Variation is key. Try to figure out if holding your shoulders up or down makes things worse and adjust your arm support accordingly. A good desk chair can help, with adjustable or removable arm support. You can try out different ergonomic keyboards or mice, but that can get pretty expensive, with no guaranteed results (and lots of frustration). Look on eBay for used ones…

Thanks for your hints!

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Very similar vibes to the dactyl, if you're feeling handy and interested in a little DIY... https://github.com/adereth/dactyl-keyboard

The Dactyl gives Kinesis vibes, you mean! :^) Kinesis has been around since the early 90s making keyboards like this.

Maltron was first, 1976

https://www.maltron.com/

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I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

All of this sounds great, but it is nearly 450 bucks!!! I’d like to get one, the only turnoff is the price

Check their refurb section. I picked up a freestyle for much much less than that.

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I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

Where are you positioning your mouse, even farther out, or in-between the split?

It depends on what I’m doing. If I’m doing a type intensive task I put it between the split and I use a track pad. Sometimes if I’m doing something mouse intensive I’ll shake it up, but that’s mostly how it stays.

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I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

Did your doctors or therapists consider Thoracic Outlet Syndrome? I've struggled with severe pain in shoulders, arms, hands and fingers for several years. It was sort of discovered by accident. They removed both of my first ribs (rib resection) and in combination with a Kinesis keyboard and a Wacom pen and tablet as a mouse replacement it's much better now. Unfortunately, the solution came a bit late. The strain on m…

Wow. This sounds brutal. No they haven’t. But the split keyboard has fixed. I think my pain is all self induced.
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