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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by electroly »

dilyevsky wrote: post #315
electroly wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multi-region is difficult and expensive, and a lot of projects aren't that important. Most of our infrastructure just isn't that vital; we'd rather take the occasional outage than spend the time and money implementing the sort of active-active multi-region infrastructure that a "correct" implementation would use. We took the recent 8 hour us-east-1 outage on the nose and have not reconsidered this plan. It was a calc…

Curios if you tell your customers you’re totally ok with having lower than 99.9 availability

We don't have any external customers; they are all internal. We're all on the same side of the table.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by waynecochran »

There was a brief period of time back in the early 90's where I felt I understood how Linux worked -- the kernel, startup scripts, drivers, processors, boot tools, etc... I could actually work on all levels of the system to some degree. Those days are long gone. I am far removed from many details of the systems I use today. I used to do a lot of assembly programming on multiple systems. Today I am not sure how most of the systems works in much detail.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by JKCalhoun »

clavicat wrote: post #145

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

I'm reminded instead of the supply chain issue our economy has gotten itself into. As more people pile on AWS it becomes the weak link....

Maybe we need more baskets to distribute our eggs amongst?

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by hatware »

yunwal wrote: post #246
boopboopbadoop wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t even know what the problem is yet. Stop shouting solutions.

The problem is that AWS can't update their status page to reflect that there's a problem. This happens during every AWS incident without fail.

Status page looks like it was updated. Seems more like we have a lot of impatience on this board.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by JadoJodo »

clavicat wrote: post #145

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

Tangentially related: If you enjoy this sort of idea in fiction-form, I can't recommend Josiah Bancroft's The Tower of Babel series (beginning with Senlin Ascends) enough.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by cameronh90 »

tzs wrote: post #210
clavicat wrote: post #145

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

Many years ago I stood at the window of my comfortable apartment, watching wind and cold rain rage outside. I thought about my cave men ancestors who during such a storm if they needed water would have to go out and get it, getting themselves soaked. If I wanted water, the tap in the kitchen would give it to me, in a nice controlled fashion. If I did feel like having water rain down upon me, my shower would do that,…

The most impressive thing to me is toilets. Just click a button and your waste disappears. Don't know where it goes or how it gets there and pay almost nothing for the privilege.

Toilets are amazing and I feel privileged every time I use one. Girlfriend thinks I'm nuts.

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Post by yottalove »

Even as a software engineer, I think I could build from primitive materials a couple of battery operated transceivers to replace the signal flags or horsemen for critical communications. A little basic physics and materials science goes a long way.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by twistedpair »

yunwal wrote: post #246
boopboopbadoop wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t even know what the problem is yet. Stop shouting solutions.

The problem is that AWS can't update their status page to reflect that there's a problem. This happens during every AWS incident without fail.

"Can't" and "won't" are different things.

See discussions from the last outage about the VP signoff needed to admit, I mean announce, an outage.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by cle »

waynecochran wrote: post #322

There was a brief period of time back in the early 90's where I felt I understood how Linux worked -- the kernel, startup scripts, drivers, processors, boot tools, etc... I could actually work on all levels of the system to some degree. Those days are long gone. I am far removed from many details of the systems I use today. I used to do a lot of assembly programming on multiple systems. Today I am not sure how most o…

To an extent, this is one of the goals, to free up engineers to work on higher level things. Whether it meets that goal in some cases is debatable, and it’s certainly not ideal for us engineers who like to get to the bottom of things.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by hatware »

Isthatablackgsd wrote: post #264
ceejayoz wrote: post #184

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They were much faster than usual about updating the AWS Status page.

I thought Status Pages or Health Pages is designed to automate the reporting and checking the status automatically. This was my impression when I came across those status pages. Apparently, it is not automated and only update it manually. What is the point of having a status pages if it cannot be automated? I'm sure FAANG and tech conglomerates don't want it to be automated because of SLA. I'm surprised with FAANG ho…

As stated earlier, AWS has financial incentive to not update the status page. Nobody is willing to call them on the conflict of interest in a meaningful, market-changing way.
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