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Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by sAbakumoff »

commandlinefan wrote: post #239
sAbakumoff wrote: post #135

Brilliant and timely decision. Good luck with Omicron, US.

Aren't the Omicron symptoms relatively mild?

I think that the death rate stays intake in the best case scenario. It could be higher than the Delta rate though, we don't know yet. But you know, I have no reasons to believe that we are so lucky, and even importantly, we deserve the best case scenario. US is crazy. Courts all over the country halt COVID protections measures. Republicans in the house don't want to prevent the government shutdown because of the vaccine mandates for private sector. Anti-vaxx rhetoric is stronger than ever before. So, people continue to die because dysfunctional government can't get their sh*t together. One party goes all-in with cultural war, conspiracy theories and sabotages everything. The other party is so weak that they can't execute the agenda of their own president.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by ufo »

orang2tang wrote: post #224
allturtles wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone who took a biology class and paid attention could have told you that an efficacy-killing variant was an inevitability On what basis? It's proved impossible so far to make a strongly efficacious flu vaccine because of constantly shifting variants. But on the other hand, there are many examples of successful vaccines that have never had an efficacy-killing variant emerge (polio, smallpox, chicken pox). How wou…

Those vaccines are/were sterilizing, meaning the vaccinated person cannot carry or spread the illness after vaccination. Covid-19 Vaccines are non-sterilizing and only lessen-symptoms. As we can clearly see, vaccinated individuals still spread the virus. Not only that, but vaccinated individuals are an added evolutionary pressure for the virus, which causes the emergence of vaccine-evading variants. This means new va…

This cannot be used as an argument against vaccination though. The same thing happens if the population has a high percentage of people who got sick with covid, except that in that case there is a much higher death toll.

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Post by ufo »

commandlinefan wrote: post #239
sAbakumoff wrote: post #135

Brilliant and timely decision. Good luck with Omicron, US.

Aren't the Omicron symptoms relatively mild?

So far we don't have enough data to say how it compares to previous variants. Even with the other variants, most cases are mild and it can take several weeks to start seeing the more severe cases getting worse.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by cmh89 »

oceanplexian wrote: post #303
kelnos wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you can argue that it's the medical profession's fault that this issue has become politicized without acknowledging that the GOP deserves most of the blame here. Nearly every common-sense measure implemented during this pandemic has been derided by the right as some sort of unacceptable infringement on individual rights. Not saying those in power have gotten it all right 100% of the time; I'm especially…

> Nearly every common-sense measure implemented during this pandemic has been derided by the right as some sort of unacceptable infringement on individual rights. It's not common sense if a plurality of people don't agree with it. Denying children in-person schooling for a year wasn't "common sense", cancelling elective procedures like cancer screenings wasn't "common sense", forcing people to wear masks outdoors was…

It's common-sense in that the large majority of medical professionals agree that those measures are a good idea. Those ideas are non-controversial amongst experts.

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Post by thinkingemote »

docflabby wrote: post #169

If we can't convince medical workers to recieve a vaccine from their peers we are doing something wrong.

This was my initial gut thought, but an employment lawyer helped me seee that most healthcare workers are not university or college educated and they are basically lower middle class.

In other words most healthcare workers share the same demographics as those who currently have low uptake on the vaccine.

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Post by beerandt »

pkilgore wrote: post #44

This is a temporary injunction not a ruling on the merits. Just like Democratic judges doing this to Trump, it's far more likely to be influenced by politics of the particular Judge or Court of Appeals that any meaningful statement of the law (which it is not).

One requirement for such an injunction is the high likelihood of winning on the merits.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by Chris2048 »

adrr wrote: post #117
Chris2048 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then just ban men from having them as well. > Women have a constitutional right to get an abortion. Do they? Where is that written? EDIT: the vague "life, liberty, or property" clause as interpreted by Roe vs Wade. This is such a blank-cheque it may as well not be in the constitution as in hands all power to the interpretation of the courts.

" the vague "life, liberty, or property" clause as interpreted by Roe vs Wade. This is such a blank-cheque it may as well not be in the constitution as in hands all power to the interpretation of the courts." If you read federalist papers or any of the writings of founders on the constitution. The constitution is a living document that is decided by the courts. It is really hard to have a fruitful debate without peop…

I didn't say the courts couldn't interpret the constitution, but "living document" doesn't need to imply vague - RvW carved out a limited clarification without supplying a general rule of what is and isn't covered. The courts shouldn't have the power to totally skewer the constitution, ad-hoc.

> having even basic knowledge on this subject

That's your opinion. People debate in echo chambers all the time, if that's what you'd prefer.

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Post by docflabby »

chronofar wrote: post #189
docflabby wrote: post #169

If we can't convince medical workers to recieve a vaccine from their peers we are doing something wrong.

Convince or compel? Do you expect all healthcare workers to receive any widely prescribed treatment? Is there no room for dissent in your mind?

If you can't convince, compelling doesn't tend to work much better, unless you threaten something worse. Given that unvaxed people are worried the vaccine may kill them, threatening career change seems a bit pointless...it would be far better to listen to their concerns and talk to them, threats only confirm the conspiracies and force positions to become entrenched.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by [deleted] »

beerandt wrote: post #250
zamadatix wrote: post #2

Original title is much more accurate "Courts block two Biden administration COVID vaccine mandates", the edited one here "Courts block Covid vaccine mandates for healthcare workers nationwide" implies something much larger in scope.

The mandates blocked are for healthcare workers nationwide, it's factually correct.

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