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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by romanhn »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #232
bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

Thanks for the inside perspective > Couple this with a culture that has masterminded a set of carrots and sticks that gets people to push themselves very hard all of the time, I’m completely burnt out. Can you say more about the work/life balance? I've heard Facebook's work life balance described as everything from a cushy "engineer retirement home" to a grueling crushing workload that few can handle. Obviously FB is…

I have never heard of Facebook described as anything like "engineer retirement home". Google, yes, but not FB. When I was there, poor work life balance was everywhere - from individual contributors to managers, from engineers to product managers to all other cross-functional partners, from juniors to senior staff levels.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by Jensson »

skinkestek wrote: post #157
civilized wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has killed about 5x more things people love than FB has created . But they still keep a lot of core products alive.

Ok, I admit you have a good point. I counted the ones I can remember: - search (although this one barely qualifies in my opinion) - GMail/GSuite (once provided ever increasing storage, also killed free GSuite etc etc but I'll count it, it exists and has even expanded a bit) - YouTube - Ads - Android - Chrome Quite a portfolio actually. Says something about how much I dislike them when I had to think long and hard to…

Maps and docs as well. While Facebook is the king of time wasting apps, Google is the king of useful apps. They might abuse their role a bit, but at least the products are things that helps people.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by xenadu02 »

skinkestek wrote: post #145
kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They finally called me. So yep, bottom of the barrel.

I've been contacted by a FAANG (or is it MANGA?) company too recently, one of the traditionally better ones. Earlier I'd fallen ober myself for that but I ended up not following through. I love my current. I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man. I'm not sure I want to contribute to the surveillance economy etc. Maybe another day I'll answer yes, but...

> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man

I'm genuinely confused here. Is this comment a thinly veiled political axe to grind? A misconception about how real life works day-to-day at these companies? What exactly does "thrown under the bus for being a man" mean? How would that work and what kind of conversation do you imagine happening?

FYI: You can get thrown under the bus because your manager doesn't like the way your face looks. You can get thrown under the bus by jealous coworkers, or just someone looking to deflect blame. You can get thrown under the bus for anything if you coworkers are sociopaths, jerks, or just don't like you. Don't work for teams or organizations like that. If you accidentally find yourself there: move somewhere else.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by dustintrex »

exBarrelSpoiler wrote: post #283
throwaway_1114 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a place that is discriminatory and has hostile attitudes against men - 1) a team I was previously on had two open headcount. I knew a friend of mine that would have been a perfect fit for the role. I suggested my friend and was told that they weren't considering men or non-diverse candidates. I'm a mixed Latino and was told this from a white man 2) a government grant was given to businesses impacted by co…

Probably because your story sounds dubious. Name and shame or forever hold your peace. You're posting from a throwaway account anyway.

I work at a FAANG and I've seen every single one of those except #4.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by [deleted] »

bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by romanhn »

varjag wrote: post #63
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

It's funny, coming to Facebook from startups I thought I'd no longer deal with recruiting pipeline challenges. It surprised the hell out of me to see how much FB struggled with hiring senior engineers. The stupid hard interviews did a fantastic job of keeping experienced folks away, so the offices felt like college grounds (I don't mean to say this was done intentionally, they really did want tons of senior talent, but the interview process didn't help).

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by romanhn »

andreilys wrote: post #266
ramimac wrote: post #240

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Curious if you'd contradict recent coverage corroborating reports that FB isn't hitting hiring targets? https://www.protocol.com/workplace/facebook-docs-hiring-recr...

Hiring engineering talent is hard across the board. I can guarantee you that FB isn't the only one who isn't hitting hiring targets.

This strikes me as true. I have never worked for a fast-growing company that was able to hit their hiring target, Facebook included.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by solveit »

cm2012 wrote: post #234
electrondood wrote: post #124

I think it really says something that Facebook has to pay 20k/year extra in base salary for the same level compared to other FAANG companies to attract developers. I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but when someone lists that they work at FB on their dating profile, I assume they either aren't paying attention or have dubious morals.

Netflix pays an extra 100k, is that because of a reputation for dubious morals?

No, it's because they're paying for the therapy you'll need after burning out in three years.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by xenadu02 »

throwaway_1114 wrote: post #238
pedrosorio wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man This is not a thing.

I worked at a place that is discriminatory and has hostile attitudes against men - 1) a team I was previously on had two open headcount. I knew a friend of mine that would have been a perfect fit for the role. I suggested my friend and was told that they weren't considering men or non-diverse candidates. I'm a mixed Latino and was told this from a white man 2) a government grant was given to businesses impacted by co…

I'm putting aside whether this telling is accurate, or whether this happened or not (given it is a throwaway).

Just answering the questions about legality:

1: 100% illegal. Any FAANG manager has likely had to go through hiring training that stresses this point.

3: 100% illegal.

4: Might be illegal under Federal law if this is a blanket policy, definitely illegal under California law (most "equality"-type laws and programs are deliberately worded to be gender and race neutral).

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