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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by duxup »

louissan wrote: post #110

I find this pathetic. As if the removal of the "dislike button" helps in any way, shape or form to create a more "inclusive" environment. This reeks of the silencing of what is perceived as dissident voices, is all. I've personally never hit a like or dislike button in my life, never will ... but found it interesting as a viewer to see the ratio. Even knowing this ratio is probably at least partially the outcome of b…

Is the dislike button "dissident voices"?

That seems like an absurd idea.

If your idea of being a dissident is a dislike button ... I don't know what to tell those folks.

Those dislikes are pretty irrelevant.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by unclebucknasty »

winternett wrote: post #218
louissan wrote: post #110

I find this pathetic. As if the removal of the "dislike button" helps in any way, shape or form to create a more "inclusive" environment. This reeks of the silencing of what is perceived as dissident voices, is all. I've personally never hit a like or dislike button in my life, never will ... but found it interesting as a viewer to see the ratio. Even knowing this ratio is probably at least partially the outcome of b…

It's the exact same move that reddit made years ago, and it enabled a new era of online brigading and fake credibility/popularity for content shown on pages. If you can't see downvotes on content, there is no way of determining how misleading the content may be. It also disguises cases where a creator may be getting harassed or bullied by others. The beginning of the end of being able to trust YouTube stats (as if th…

>If you can't see downvotes on content, there is no way of determining how misleading the content may be.

Why are dislike counts more credible than like counts?

>It also disguises cases where a creator may be getting harassed or bullied by others.

How would you discern that from a creator producing genuinely disliked content? And, what difference would it make if you could? Genuinely asking.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by iso8859-1 »

MichaelDickens wrote: post #301
trts wrote: post #296

The dislike button on YouTube videos is one of the few remaining signals that what you are seeing is propaganda. It hadn't occurred to me that this would happen (although it seems obvious) and it is unexpectedly frightening to me. I suppose the fallback will be videos with comments enabled, where people can 'like' a comment who is saying something common sense and reasonable in response to the content.

In my experience, if a video has comments disabled, it's probably bad. The lack of signal is itself a signal.

I have seen a lot of education videos having comments disabled, e.g. Oregon Programming Languages Summer School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9dO_XBt0k8

I believe it is because they see themselves as 'above' YouTube. They don't take the risk of having a Emacs/Vim flame war in the comments and detracting from the points in the video. By disabling comments, the conversation is kept civil, because it isn't there.

They are not resourceful enough to curate a forum, so they prefer no forum at all.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by tialaramex »

blakewatson wrote: post #213

I’m gonna miss dislike jokes (eg, "13 people just want to watch the world burn.")

Right, this is actually the only remaining purpose "dislike" had on Youtube.

It was nice to have a universal Youtube meme, if you post that the person who failed at Mario Kart "Never had the makings of a varsity athlete" nobody knows what you're talking about, or if you comment on a board game Let's Play video that "I didn't know this was a Red Coin level" again, straight over their heads. But everybody knows a number of dislikes reference. Whether it's "13 people just want to watch the world burn" or "9 Yoshis watched this video".

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by daveoc64 »

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Downvotes on Stack Overflow/Exchange require users to meet a reputation threshold (much like HN) and each downvote removes 1 reputation from the user that gives the downvote.

Dislikes on YouTube and similar platforms don't have any cost or barrier to entry.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by vlunkr »

People are weirdly outraged here. Likes/Dislikes on really public platforms like reddit and youtube are just a game, they tell you nothing about the quality of something, only whether it matches the agreed upon view of the core audience. Barely anyone thinks about dislikes on youtube until there's a big event like youtube rewind.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by crowcode »

Wildly disappointing but not surprising. The dislike count is the most helpful indicator for users to know if a video is a scam, complete clickbait, a fake tutorial, etc. I'm sure it's also very inconvenient for large media corporations and powerful groups when their videos get disliked into the ground.
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