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Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I'm blessed with the ability to live in a somewhat low COL city, and be within a 10 minute walk to work. When WFH first started I was beyond excited. Working in my pyjamas? Hell yeah.

Fast forward about 12 months and I began longing for the social interaction, and even just the different visual stimulus of having a large open space to walk around and think in.

I don't think there will ever be a true answer to WFH vs. WFO.. But I think opening up that choice to the employee will give numerous benefits to employers in the coming years.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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truth. went to a gyms happy hour and me and a girl were there alone otherwise everyone else went off in their groups of 3 or 4 they knew already lol.

Yep. This has been studied in MBA networking events too where the only person who ended up meeting everyone was the bartender. >The few new meetings that did take place tended to be with others who were like themselves: the consultants talked to consultants, and the bankers talked to bankers. In terms of both new conversations and diverse connections, the most successful networker at the event turned out to be the ba…

Could it be that there's a bit of bias in the study?

Similar to the biases related to the fact that the majority of psychological studies were run on predominantly rich, predominantly white students at well-funded universities?

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I genuinely miss the office. Being in a different space for work (one that was pretty gorgeous), in a nice part of downtown, able to tap people on the shoulder for quick questions rather than having to ping them over chat, more spontaneous collaboration (right before we went remote again I overheard two people discussing an area I have some expertise in and was able to interject and provide useful insight), extra pro…

I get a lot of what you say but this one drives me bonkers: > able to tap people on the shoulder for quick questions rather than having to ping them over chat My work requires so much focus, having people randomly tap me on the shoulder to ask a question they could just drop in chat is debilitating. I'm curious you phrase "having to ping them over chat" negatively? I would say the same sentence almost totally in reve…

I hear what you're saying.

However, i loved being tapped and then helping people. it was my very favourite distraction, and assuming i was actually helping them with work, I felt zero guilt about losing my focus. it's very personality specific, I suppose * shrug *

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I don’t think there is any need to defend in person work. Until very recently it was the only socially accepted form of work. As the default, we all have a little experience in it.

> I don’t think there is any need to defend in person work. There is a need to defend it though. I've already seen several businesses claim that remote work is "the future". Personally, I feel that remote work has been very detrimental to my mental health and I hate it. I don't want that future. It feels very unhealthy.

For me, the isolation of the pandemic was detrimental to mental health but the remote work has been incredibly positive.

Is it possible that these two circumstances are overlapping in your case?

Do you miss the commute and sitting in an office (on-location work) or do you miss speaking with people (socialization)?

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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> Because we are in the middle of a global pandemic. Really? Maybe I forgot because here in France it feels like we've kinda gone back to business as usual, as long as one can show proof of vaccination (necessary if you want to go to the restaurants, cinemas and museums).

France, Germany and Italy have really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. With that said, i think many are still a bit cautious after being bombarded with warnings of the Coronavirus for 12 months straight. To me though I'm back to normality and slowly but surely everyone else.

> France, Germany and Italy have really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated.

Disappointed who? The anti-vaxxer community? Good.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I don’t know much about lodges and golf clubs, but most churches are overwhelmingly of one race or another. Finding a church that reflects the broader community is quite rare, most of the community tends to self-segregate on Sunday mornings. That said, growing up churches seemed fairly class-integrated (I’m atheist now, maybe this has changed?). But growing up we had everyone from an American Football quarterback on…

Most of the larger lodges (Loyal Order of Moose, Modern Woodmen of America, Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks) were explicitly sexist (male only) and racist (white only). Although some operated female-open auxiliary organizations. Freemasonry is interesting, in that it actually had a schism in part over exclusionary membership clauses around 1877 (Regular vs Continental). Although apparently, masonry itself for…

There are good reasons for male-only organizations as well, mainly to do with having something private of their own that men can bring back to their marriages and homes. It provides a social support network for men (literal fraternity), and by extension, their families, where men are not left dependent on their wives for managing their social lives, as is common in many marriages. The lodges still provide a fabric for civil society that persists across party lines and through periods of strife. To dismiss the lodges as merely sexist is more trivializing than anything else, as we're equal, not indifferent or interchangeable, etc.

Racism doesn't really figure into regular Freemasonry either, as it was founded as a universalist enlightenment society. When you look at who has historically made a point of suppressing them, it's worth asking who the good guys really were. They're a reliable canary for civil liberty. Prince Hall masonry, founded by and for African American men is still going strong in the US, and it is in concordance with most north american grand lodges. The main thing is you can't be an atheist in regular masonry, which is analogous to having a policy against racism in that atheism is traditionally also viewed as an obtuse and unnecessarily irreconcilable belief that can call someones moral judgment into question. The continental/european stuff is different, and much of it isn't connected to the mainstream anglosphere masonic culture.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I genuinely miss the office. Being in a different space for work (one that was pretty gorgeous), in a nice part of downtown, able to tap people on the shoulder for quick questions rather than having to ping them over chat, more spontaneous collaboration (right before we went remote again I overheard two people discussing an area I have some expertise in and was able to interject and provide useful insight), extra pro…

For those of you who miss the office, what does your life look like outside it? Do you have an active social circle? Do you have regular, sustained, positive interaction with your neighbors (i.e. do you do more than say hello in passing)? Kids who do sports? A long commute or a short one? A house or an apartment? Do you do your own housework or do you hire it out? When you're in the office, where do you work (e.g. pr…

I had all of that prior to covid, and and i still miss the office. It was another environment in which I could meet interesting people and bring them into my life.

You might want to consider whether being at home was the thing that made you wander, or if just being in an unfamiliar state of being forced you to wander. I would reckon it's the latter because I can attribute my varied life to the fact that I'm an immigrant, and the immigration forcing me to think outside of the box to do all those things.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I’m gonna go against the HN grain here and, despite having been fully for remote work for the first year or so of the pandemic, come out and say that life has really gotten a lot more repetitive and frankly disappointing since covid and the death of the office. I kind of miss meeting people in the office. I was in the unfortunate position of having moved to a new city for a new tech job where I knew nobody just seven…

Your office friends will forget you from the very moment either of you switch jobs.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I think you're correct, but one thing that is really missing nowadays, especially with phones and the internet, is active communities that exist in real life outside of work. Stuff like the elks lodge, rotary, bowling leagues, etc are just not as common anymore as I believe they used to be. Certainly there are many things that exist, but in a way societally it seems like they don't have very much cache, even as far a…

Can you demystify what an elks lodge is? I’ve never really understood the concept of these lodges and they seem like some kind of closed off private club or something cult like. I’m guessing I have the wrong perception.

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Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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The most productive workday I've ever had was when I met with my company's IT Helpdesk, and chose to work the rest of my day at an empty desk that was available. All the background noise acted as great white noise for me, and I could focus without distraction. As an ADHD'er, although I've gotten accustomed to it in the last year and change, my productivity takes a serious hit working remotely. I'm the only developer on my team in my office, the rest are on the other side of the country, but the benefit of going into the office for me is to have a productive workspace, less so than a collaborative one. I think my need is kinda niche though, and doesn't reflect most people's feelings about working from home.
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