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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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A deleted bank account is not publicly accessible.

Not as a counterpoint, but you'd be mad not to stick "yet" at the end of that.

You still likely have a limited window. Once their obligations to keep your info are up, they're likely to purge it. It's a waste of resources to keep that around and not much value. Plus they surely know it's a liability. PII is treated very carefully in regulated industries. The less of it they have, the better.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Your point being? Not deleting data for legal reasons is still better than the data being physically impossible to delete.

A large meteor would delete it just fine.

With distributed data centers it needs to be a quite sizable meteor though. The dinosaur killer asteroid may not be enough if your redundancy is on the other side of the globe.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Your app is incompatible with the Apple App Store. There’s a lot of arguments that people will make about whether this is justified or not, but from a plain rules standpoint, that’s not a permissible data management strategy if you want to publish an iOS app through Apple’s store.

What if you're making an unofficial, unaffiliated app for someone else's service, and their API/protocol doesn't support deleting accounts?

I don't see why that would be any different. If it was, then companies who find enough value in not providing a deletion option could pay someone to submit an app on their behalf. There's no way for Apple to know whether or not an app submitted by a third party is actually full independent of the service.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

And this is a major reason I'm personally wary about a lot of ideas around putting stuff onto a public blockchain. Once it's there it's never going away. Even just transaction info on a public blockchain is odd to me. It's possible to remain anonymous, but all it takes is one slip-up and then anyone can perform blockchain analysis to trace all sorts of stuff back to me.

Welcome to Monero, where you don't have to think about problems like that because privacy is by default.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use…

But if the price of that benefit is 30% off the top for Apple for all payments, it's a high price to pay. Perhaps better consumer protection laws would be a better way to fight the dark patterns.

The judge in the Epic case did rule Apple was entitled to payment even if it didn't go through their payment system. No ruling was made about if the 30 % was too high or not.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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post #320

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This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

And this is a major reason I'm personally wary about a lot of ideas around putting stuff onto a public blockchain. Once it's there it's never going away. Even just transaction info on a public blockchain is odd to me. It's possible to remain anonymous, but all it takes is one slip-up and then anyone can perform blockchain analysis to trace all sorts of stuff back to me.

On the other hand, if all currency was on a blockchain it would be possible to perform block chain analysis to determine each individual’s wealth and income making taxes much easier.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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post #212

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Your point being? Not deleting data for legal reasons is still better than the data being physically impossible to delete.

A large meteor would delete it just fine.

I once worked in a large Meteor codebase and I cannot comment[1].

1: I can, nothing catastrophic happened. Other than the Meteor codebase.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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You’re talking about something else. Do we expect money-making companies to be the ones to war against authoritarian regimes? Do we not also expect companies to obey the laws of the lands in which they conduct business? You can’t just say screw it to GDPR and expect to continue to be able to conduct business in the EU.

Apple didn't have to lock users out of installing "unapproved" apps on their own. That isn't for the user's benefit and isn't necessary for apple to have a curated app store.

They do allow this with a free developer account. It’s not easy-easy, but tools to do it pretty effortlessly exist (AltStore).

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

Even better, when I had to cancel my NYT subscription, it said there weren't enough cancellation reps to connect me; "try again later". I went in via the normal support chat, said I wanted to cancel, and was immediately redirected to one. It was an outright lie.

Well, you tried later. Technically.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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post #320

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And this is a major reason I'm personally wary about a lot of ideas around putting stuff onto a public blockchain. Once it's there it's never going away. Even just transaction info on a public blockchain is odd to me. It's possible to remain anonymous, but all it takes is one slip-up and then anyone can perform blockchain analysis to trace all sorts of stuff back to me.

On the other hand, if all currency was on a blockchain it would be possible to perform block chain analysis to determine each individual’s wealth and income making taxes much easier.

each account's wealth and income

On some blockchains it's easy to map the account to the user, on others it's impossible. There are solutions which are completely secret with regards to transfers, so blockchain doesn't solve the taxes. (a specific blockchain may in theory)

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