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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by krastanov »

swader999 wrote: post #277
krastanov wrote: post #234

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There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.

Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.

Of course I agree that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced. But they also should not get to ruin everything for the rest of us. The r coefficient for vaccinated people is drastically lower leading to protecting those that can not get vaccinated (whom, I guess, unvaccinated people do not mind screwing over). And vaccinated people are not taking away ICU beds from people suffering from non-prevetable diseases.

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Post by nradov »

Bud wrote: post #266
nradov wrote: post #232

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You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

If you give a monkey a machine gun, and the monkey shoots someone, we don't blame the monkey.

Society has always had court jesters who poke fun at authority. If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you.

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Post by upearly3 »

kelnos wrote: post #153
Clubber wrote: post #76

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I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

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Part 1: >I don't know anything about what Rogan has said about vaccinations.

Part 2: > I still think this is a very disappointing, dangerously misinformed take on his part

lol. "I don't know what he said, but I disagree with it"

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by pjc50 »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #301
jimt1234 wrote: post #274

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Rejecting people that promote the "Sandy Hook was fake!" conspiracy theory and even harassing the parents of murdered children isn't a way to avoid offending the "progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley". It's just common decency. ... Can we at least set the bar at that level -- that we _don't_ harass the parents of murdered children for clicks?

Interviewing influential figures is important.

Interviewing libelous crackpots gives them influence. Without interviews, they're seldom influential.

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Post by manigandham »

suzzer99 wrote: post #256
S_A_P wrote: post #129

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He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I thin…

For a long time he thought the moon landing was fake. That's not a position you arrive at with reasoned science and understanding how the world works. He's stated he thinks Bigfoot could be real. He does the same thing on a myriad of other topics. He presents some random quack as just as valid as real science. If he was just some random dude none of this would matter. But with 11 million followers, sometimes this "my…

He's quite literally the "average Joe" (at least when he started). The reason he no longer thinks the moon landing is fake is because of reasoned science and understanding which he learned through the course of the show by talking to guests like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Post by smolyeet »

notRobot wrote: post #298
jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

Spotify sucks on Android too - so idk what they think they're doing. I think iOS (specifically just iPhone) is the only place where they appear to work on improving their app.

I don't think so, least in part. Spotify is continuously petty against apple (for good reason) but their users always have to pay the price and not have features or get them super late. The Spotify app on an Android is pretty good and can't really notice too much difference upon switching back. They've really downsized their app a lot across all three platforms.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

zepto wrote: post #13
Bellamy wrote: post #7

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Would you fell into a trap like this for 100.000.000$?

Apparently he made $30M in the year before the deal. If the deal lasts for more than 2 years, then he has made a serious error.

You can retire with a high standard of living for the rest of your life with that amount as a lump sum. It's not clear to me that the decision was wrong.

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Post by OJFord »

VelkaMorava wrote: post #288
arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

I opened this thread wondering who Joe Rogan is; glancing at that I'm not surprised I don't know, and have certainly lost any interest in knowing!

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Post by nradov »

macintux wrote: post #305
nradov wrote: post #257

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There is no real legal distinction between entertainers and journalists. The separation of news and editorial content is purely a matter of ethics and not law. Journalists don't have any special statutory privileges.

> Journalists don't have any special statutory privileges. I’d say a special mention in the first amendment is notable.

Nope. US courts have consistently held that the first amendment applies equally to everyone regardless of occupation. There is no special legal test to determine if someone is a member of the press. There are centuries of case law on this issue.
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