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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Mindwipe »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #212
runlevel1 wrote: post #123

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I'd be ok with paying an annual fee for the app. What I have zero interest in is increasing my attack surface solely for their bottom line. I'm also increasingly uncomfortable with the company handling my passwords engaging in the sort of spin and dark patters we've seen from AgileBits in the past few years.

I'm curious about how you see the attack surface increasing when using 1Password. My knowledge of how it works is that it always stores your passwords in an encrypted blob that can only be decrypted with a combination of username, "master password", and vault password. So no matter if it's in Dropbox, 1Password's servers, or your own hard drive, if anyone obtains a copy of the password file they still have to crack i…

> So no matter if it's in Dropbox, 1Password's servers, or your own hard drive, if anyone obtains a copy of the password file they still have to crack it before they gain access to anything.

When I keep it on an airgapped machine that's a lot harder than when it sits on 1password's internet facing servers.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Spivak »

rootusrootus wrote: post #294
prepend wrote: post #237

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> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive.

The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by bastardoperator »

jjoonathan wrote: post #249
DavideNL wrote: post #213

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I have done this, and it was horrible… for example I was missing all attachments (no notification or error messages). Also the fields are not properly converted 1:1. All in all, it was a big mess. This was about a year ago.

Funny story: I migrated from lastpass to bitwarden a couple years back. I expected a big mess. Instead, the import was better than perfect: a bunch of accounts that wouldn't autofill in lastpass magically started to autofill after being imported into bitwarden. I think it might be the only "better than perfect" import story I've ever experienced, and I can't rightly expect it to happen again, but it happened once and…

I was a lass pass user forever then dashlane user for about a year. I ditched them all for bitwarden and think it's easily the best I've tried.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by KMnO4 »

chrischen wrote: post #190
city41 wrote: post #159

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I'm somewhere in between. I also paid for a non subscription version and I also feel like I was forced to upgrade to the subscription. Sadly switching password managers, especially if you share with a family, is really painful. We now pay the subscription, a tad begrudgingly, but I have to admit 1Password overall does a great job.

Bitwarden can 1-click import 1Password vaults.

You... just saved me many hours. My 2021 goal is to migrate from 1Password to Bitwarden. I’ve been putting it off as I still have half a year of my subscription. But that does make it easier.

Thank you!

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mvanbaak »

jw1224 wrote: post #230
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. It saves me so much time compared to how I used to have to do it — pull out phone, unlock, open Authy, wait forever for it to load, type in code, put phone away… It’s the little things that all add up. I’m very happy with 1Password — been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering it’s probably my most-used utility app.

Authy has a desktop app :)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by xondono »

craigc wrote: post #81
xondono wrote: post #38

I honestly have 0 problems with this. They’ve gone over and beyond to support old licences far longer than it could be expected, and a password manager is the kind of sensitive and ubiquitous product for which SaS actually makes sense. Anyone remotely involved in anything similar knows it’s a PITA to keep up to date while keeping device compatibility, and the folks at 1P have been doing great work.

Actually a sensitive product is exactly where this does NOT make sense. No matter how good their security is with their cloud version it will still be less secure than having a vault locally on your disk. That is a fact. Subscription services to me are only justified if they are providing a SERVICE which they are with the web version and ability to sync through their own servers, however, using a local version with y…

> Actually a sensitive product is exactly where this does NOT make sense.

The idea that anyone except a tiny infinitesimal minority of all people should self host is ridiculous.

Even a lot of people with IT jobs have not enough time or knowledge to keep services like this working securely in a way that’s competitive with SaaS (i.e. these people are better served by paying others to do the job).

If you need any proof, just wander around any company that works in IT and do a simple check, see who has the latest OS version and who doesn’t.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by romwell »

ValentineC wrote: post #281
DavideNL wrote: post #234

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Not sure why I'm being downvoted...: https://support.1password.com/recovery/ Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/

> Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ This makes losing local vault support an even bigger cause for alarm: > After you remove a family member’s account, they can’t sign in to 1Password, which means: > They lose all the items in their Private vault. Because the items weren’t shared with any other family members, no one will be able to access them. Imagine: the ac…

More pragmatically, that's a prime opportunity for some to make a nasty divorce quite a bit more nasty.

Big, big nope right there, thanks.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Tepix »

scrollaway wrote: post #306
bgentry wrote: post #280

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>Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. This is the source of your mistake. Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. Cross-platform UIs are inarguably a worse user experience than UIs tailored to the conventions and designs of each OS. A Mac app that d…

> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments Um, speak for yourself. I personally don't like having the docs showcase completely different UIs to the one I'm using. I also like having an app i can run on Linux, which has been happening a lot more since Electron became a thing (no sane company wants to write apps in GTK, and much as Qt is a great toolkit it requires expertise most SaaS ven…

What percentage of users will be using the app across multiple operating systems and notice and prefer having a consistent interface?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by iamdamian »

ValentineC wrote: post #309
iamdamian wrote: post #242

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Adding to this, they've also left showstopping sync bugs in the standalone version, and the customer support team uses this as a reason to push people to switch to the subscription service. They were also giving away subscriptions for free for quite a while to get people to move. So yes, I'm with you in questioning the number.

> Adding to this, they've also left showstopping sync bugs in the standalone version, and the customer support team uses this as a reason to push people to switch to the subscription service. Woah, really? Would you mind linking some threads for the benefit of everyone else skimming through this? (I'm still on 1Password 6, and the experience is mostly smooth-sailing except for browser extensions.)

This comes from personal experience with support. For example, I experienced a bug for 6+ months where Wi-Fi syncing stopped working, and customer service said "This is a bug, but we're probably not going to fix this any time soon. Here's a free credit to upgrade to the subscription service."

I can't link to that interaction in particular, because it was over email, but you can see some of this behavior in their public forums:

- A more benign (but still important) syncing bug, where the team indicated it wasn't a priority to fix. Even though they say the bug is 'visual', it shows a lack of commitment to maintaining sync as a core feature [0]

- A public example of the sort of "bug to upsell" experience I had with support [1]

[0]: https://1password.community/discussion/comment/535160#Commen...

[1]: https://1password.community/discussion/comment/526068#Commen...

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by scrollaway »

Tepix wrote: post #328
scrollaway wrote: post #306

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> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments Um, speak for yourself. I personally don't like having the docs showcase completely different UIs to the one I'm using. I also like having an app i can run on Linux, which has been happening a lot more since Electron became a thing (no sane company wants to write apps in GTK, and much as Qt is a great toolkit it requires expertise most SaaS ven…

What percentage of users will be using the app across multiple operating systems and notice and prefer having a consistent interface?

I feel like you didn't read my comment if that's your take away.
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