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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by varispeed »

cronix wrote: post #306
only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297

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It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

You still give up a ton of privacy, even if you "leave it alone".

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Post by ultrarunner »

flohofwoe wrote: post #135
tgv wrote: post #127

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I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

"Side loading" (what a terrible word for what should be the normal way of installing software) could be disabled by default, and behind an extra scary warning screen in the settings which explicitely warns the user about the consequences. At some age (maybe starting at 16 or so?), people should be allowed to make their own decisions without "helicopter companies" hovering above them all the time telling them what to…

That's essentially how it is now with jailbreaking. Unfortunately, with iOS >14.4 or so, the SEP panics the phone and so the only way to side load is to disable SEP features like the passcode and Apple Pay. I can easily see this situation continuing even if an "Allow Side Loading" switch is provided— flip the switch and Apple gets to yank features to tilt the decision in their favor.

And all I even want to do is have a parametric equalizer so PowerBeats sound decent with Apple Music while I run…

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Post by ksec »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

>I wish we had a reasonable alternative

You know... since 2017 when I started getting wary of Apple due to Qualcomm, IMG and Services Strategy. I sometimes wish Microsoft are still in the Mobile race. Trying find some synergy between Desktop PC gaming, Xbox and Mobile. Surface Phone. Porting some of their work from Xbox.

But unlike Microsoft and Google. Apple has no inherent weakness in their business and strategy. They also have an extremely strong cult following both online and offline.

So unless government managed to do something about it ( which I seriously doubt ), the future will be as frustrating as it is now.

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Post by vanchor3 »

cronix wrote: post #306
only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

Unfortunately that assumes the employer will provide the phone rather than going "this guy can't do his job because his phone is rooted?" and hiring someone else. Or that the employer knows what rooting even is.

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Post by vorpalhex »

8ytecoder wrote: post #296
alerighi wrote: post #239

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To me a PC is a device that runs whatever software you need, and that you can program to do the stuff that you need. iOS imposes limitations on that, you cannot run third party applications that are not on the store, you can't write your own programs or scripts, or you can with 100 limitations that makes it in practice impossible to do so. And I'm not talking about the hardware, it's powerful, probably more powerful…

It's a very small cohort of people that want to do "whatever they want". Most people do productive stuff within the bounds of what's possible in an iPad - I mean Office/Outlook, Social Media, a full fledged browser with most websites supporting mobile mode now, reading apps, video/entertainment apps, games, social media apps, even corporate vpn apps are readily available. My dev environment is the only one I know of…

I got a phone call from my nephew a few weeks back asking how to mod an NES rom.

My wife pretty frequently wants to do simple room diagrams.

I'm hosting a game night for an RPG. Everybody needs a laptop - the player software doesn't work in Safari.

I frequently pull and add notes to large passages of text. My notes are kept in markdown and in the cloud. This workflow is basically unusable outside of a real computer.

Most people want real computers.

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Post by spicybright »

ksec wrote: post #323
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

>I wish we had a reasonable alternative You know... since 2017 when I started getting wary of Apple due to Qualcomm, IMG and Services Strategy. I sometimes wish Microsoft are still in the Mobile race. Trying find some synergy between Desktop PC gaming, Xbox and Mobile. Surface Phone. Porting some of their work from Xbox. But unlike Microsoft and Google. Apple has no inherent weakness in their business and strategy. T…

I wish they made a Zune HD phone. The visual design of the UI was seriously gorgeous.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

NmAmDa wrote: post #317
wingmanjd wrote: post #276

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I love FF on Android (it's my primary browser there), but there is a serious limitation on what extensions can be installed now. I think you're limited to only a certain curated list of like 12 extensions. Thankfully, uBlock is one of them, but I miss some of my others.

You can install firefox beta or nightly and use developer tools access to add extension collection from your choice which will replace these recommended extensions. Note : you must create this collection on firefox addon or find existing one as you will need the collection ID.

Does anyone know what the benifit is to Firefox to create such a roundabout workaround? Why Google makes things difficult and obscure is clear, but why does Firefox care what add-ons you install on your phone?

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Post by varispeed »

user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

Right to repair for software. If you buy software that has bugs, company should have to hand over documentation and source code, so that you can get someone to fix it, if they don't want to. Plus companies should be required to give tools to unlock and lock a bootloader plus any documentation to help write your own.

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Post by messe »

cronix wrote: post #306
only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

That's one of those ideas that's great in theory and not in practice. Not everybody is as confident in their positions to demand that.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

vorpalhex wrote: post #319
ubermonkey wrote: post #197

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Your bias is showing, as is your blinkered view of what's possible on an iPad. For many, many people, the iPad absolutely DOES replace having a traditional computer. The prediction came true. I rarely bother traveling with a laptop anymore unless I need to present or run demos. My iPad pro + the fancy keyboard case gives me insane portability and battery life plus access to all my files (via Dropbox), native Office,…

I have a latest gen iPad and file management is a disaster. Apps are so sandboxed that either every app needs access to my dropbox or you have to go through the atrocious files interface - assuming your app even actually supports the files dialog. God help you if you actually want to browse a network share or use a non-standard cloud. The iPad is just barely, barely capable of downloading a document from email, openi…

> either every app needs access to my dropbox

To be fair, on a PC every app has access to your Dropbox.

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