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Re: Firefox 90

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Post by wisniewskit »

cassianoleal wrote: post #314
wisniewskit wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lead dev here. Yes, this is a give-and-take that probably will never be "perfect" for everyone. Right now a site could disingenuously call the relevant Facebook SDK API to unblock the Facebook resources listed here, and only on that site: https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/extensi... I'm not too sure why that would be worthwhile as an attack, though. If you have anything in mind that would make it s…

Thanks for your response! Also thanks very much for your efforts! I've been using Firefox exclusively for quite some time, and it's by far the best browser for me. The focus on privacy and user protections (like this one) has also already helped me convince a few people to switch over. I think the main attack vector I'd be worried about is if the SDK itself implemented a way around this protection, rendering it relat…

Right. We'll just have to see if and how Facebook reacts, but I would hope they prefer this kind of opt-in to their login buttons simply being broken in strict/private mode on many sites. In fact I think they're already getting sites to use an alternative login method which doesn't have to be blocked in the same way.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by coffeeling »

ergot_vacation wrote: post #173
bergheim wrote: post #122

I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

The general mass of humanity never does things because they're "right": Ethical, Forward-Thinking, Better For Society etc. They do them because they're easy. To the extent that wide social change ever happens, it only happens because the path of least resistance shifted from one thing to another. If you despair for the actions of the masses, never try to reason with them. Skip straight to assembling a good marketing…

I don't think Firefox is even better than Chromium overall. There's a lot of good stuff in Chromium that just doesn't exist in Firefox like a great tab groups implementation and PWA support.

Some of the Firefox-only things I like are it suggesting Reader more more often, and the Page Info view. They're the kind of small conveniences Chrome is missing.

[EDIT] Oh, and being able to use bookmarks to sync custom searches across devices was AMAZING. Of course, that had to die. [/EDIT]

And of course zero knowledge sync and uBlock on mobile are huge, which Chrome itself has a less excellent record on. But some of the Chromium forks like Brave and Vivaldi not only offer those, but also good tab groups.

The big thing with Firefox is that its enthusiast userbase is moronically hostile to Firefox gaining financial independence of some kind. They bought Pocket and integrated it and people were just about ready to lynch the Firefox/Mozilla team. A lot of them are more motivated by the kind of purity that makes people install gNewSense and complain about companies doing business than any desire to have an actually useful tool with independent revenue streams.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by alex_smart »

tempest_ wrote: post #49
metalliqaz wrote: post #7

Honestly I'm still not used to the new tab style that was introduced last time. 90 seems fine, but not much to get excited about from the user perspective.

I remember seeing a lot of complaining about the tabs in the last release thread but they dont seem to bother me at all. What is the issue with the new tabs?

The issue with the new tabs is that they are not tabs, they are buttons.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by coffeeling »

Pokepokalypse wrote: post #229
fleddr wrote: post #160

I noticed in the comments below how somebody mentioning Firefox's limited market share was heavily downvoted. I'm a Firefox user since forever, and will keep using it. I also want Mozilla to win, and strongly empathize with their engineers whom are trying to make the best of it. That said, I think the reality check should not be avoided. There is no good in do-good software without reach. Based on statcounter, Firefo…

Ironically: Google and Apple (via mobile) are doing to Firefox what Microsoft failed to do. Kill it with an integrated browser.

Microsoft is murdering Firefox on desktop with the new Edge. And rightfully so, it's a damn good browser apart from some privacy issues like hardware ID and sync not being zero knowledge. Overall user experience wise it's probably straight up the best browser atm.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by coffeeling »

jszymborski wrote: post #3
ducktective wrote: post #2

> FTP support has been removed sigh

It's my initial reaction too, but if I stop to think of Firefox as a huge, difficult-to-manage project where each feature costs dev resources and increases security risk, FTP support is probably the feature I wouldn't mind removed right next to the Pocket integration.

The Pocket integration should be about the last thing removed: Independent revenue streams are something Firefox desperately needs.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by coffeeling »

Nadya wrote: post #119
metalliqaz wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started using Tree Style Tab to manage them, and I like that very much. I agree, a mobile-style manager would be interesting.

Sounds a bit like you'd like Tab Groups. I used Tab Groups extensively until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. A quick Ctrl+Shift+E and I could organize everything into work/research/gaming/wikis/whatever and quickly search all tabs or within a specific tab group to switch tabs. The add-on kind of works but isn't as feature complete and from my experience was p…

Tab groups is a big reason I moved to Brave. The stock tab group implementation is excellent, and they have a scrollable tab bar now too.

Edge probably has it best with vertical tabs and that Chromium-native tab group setup.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by coffeeling »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #204
vernie wrote: post #161

Does any browser these days support multi-row tabs? I used to use Tab Mix Plus on Firefox but it seems like everyone (Chrome, Firefox, Safari) has adopted WebExtensions which are incapable of this.

Not quite the same, but: Vivaldi has 2 rows of tabs... the 1st row is "tab group" tabs, the 2nd row are the tabs in that group. Easy to manipulate/group them. You could also try tabs on the left edge (vs top).

Vivaldi's tab groups have some problem with things like fiddliness (moving tabs between groups etc. is a pain) and grouping tabs doesn't properly update the tab cycling order so Ctrl+Tab can get really unintuitive since the internal structure won't match what is shown.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by ryantgtg »

fleddr wrote: post #220
ryantgtg wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do these market share numbers change when filtering for desktop users? My assumptions: 1) most users are on their phones, and 2) most phone users just use the default browser (safari and chrome). Whilst desktop users are more likely to install a browser of choice.

Have a look yourself: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl... Firefox seems to be at 7% desktop market share. Chrome on desktop has almost 10 times more market share. So I guess that's the browser of choice. OSX, an operating system with a market share of only 15%, delivers desktop Safari, which still has a larger market share than Firefox across ALL desktops. So also on desktops Firefox is lo…

Thanks! Sure, it’s low and all, but that does seem to backup my assumptions.

Personally, I think FF is great. I use it on desktop and I used to use it on Android. Now that I’m using an iPhone, I stick with Safari because there doesn’t seem to be any point in using Firefox for iOS (no addons!).

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by mackrevinack »

jhanschoo wrote: post #254

I guess this is as good a place as any to ask about a certain question regarding extensions. With Chrome, I can control whether extensions update automatically and also have extensions disabled until I activate them for a certain page, and then they remain activated for that session. Do I have such control for Firefox? With it being so difficult to trust extension developers, yet with some extensions being quite nece…

im not sure whether you can disable them for certain pages but there is a checkbox setting in the extensions page that stops anything from auto-updating. i have this set in my user.js file with this line:

user_pref("extensions.update.enabled", "false");

i have nearly 20-25 extensions myself and im pretty sure they are all open source. when i was using chrome (a long time ago) i only had one or two open source and the rest were closed. its helps when you find some extension that does something really basic but you dont know if its trustworthy or not. usually theres not a whole lot of code to look through

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