Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring • Hacker News Board

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by kwhitefoot » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

titanomachy wrote: post #224

kwhitefoot wrote: post #178

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Replace exams with vivas and see how far the cheats can get. At least make a viva voce a large proportion of the final score.

Probably the best way to evaluate people, I guess it just doesn’t scale that well…

It seems that the alternatives also don't scale, that's sure why this discussion is happening.

Vivas work,they are just expensive. The alternatives are cheaper but don't work.

Of course it could be that different people have different goals in mind. Some just want the diploma, others want to master the subject. So it depends on what the diploma is supposed to mean. If it just means: turned up then a viva is of course unnecessary and wasteful.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by 0xffff2 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

alanfranz wrote: post #308

0xffff2 wrote: post #263

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It's certainly possible. Thankfully I graduated before Turn-it-in was fully mainstream and before online tests were even a thing AFAIK. Nonetheless, I had one professor decide midway through the semester that our final paper would need to be submitted to Turn-it-in. I had to go to office hours, point out that this requirement was not in the syllabus, and that if it was I would not have taken the course, and finally t…

Turn-it-in checks your assignment text against other submitted assignments, and highlights copypasted parts. Then the teacher chooses what to do. What’s your problem with it?

It has been a very long time, but my recollection was that my primary objection was to granting them a perpetual, royalty free license to my work, i.e. that my own assignment would also be used as one of the "other submitted assignments" without any benefit whatsoever to me.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by alanfranz » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

0xffff2 wrote: post #322

alanfranz wrote: post #308

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Turn-it-in checks your assignment text against other submitted assignments, and highlights copypasted parts. Then the teacher chooses what to do. What’s your problem with it?

It has been a very long time, but my recollection was that my primary objection was to granting them a perpetual, royalty free license to my work, i.e. that my own assignment would also be used as one of the "other submitted assignments" without any benefit whatsoever to me.

That’s something that I can understand. But is a university’s “normal license” for homework different? Don’t they have a right to keep your work?

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by bigcorp-slave » Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

majjgepolja wrote: post #315

bigcorp-slave wrote: post #300

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It’s not a grey area, it devalues the degree for everyone and betrays you as a fundamentally dishonest and low value person.

Those subjects are not there for any meaningful purpose. Imagine having a CS degree program and teaching chemistry, physics, biology and a bunch of even lesser subjects is blatant and ignorant waste of students' money.

Tell me you’re an SDE1 without telling me you’re an SDE1