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Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by prohobo »

brailsafe wrote: post #54
version_five wrote: post #41

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I agree 100% - whatever reaction posts like yours get, it's important to realize that a lot of people think this way, quite possibly a majority if you could talk to them on their own, despite efforts to pretend anyone against whatever government / corporate orthodoxy is pushing this week is some kind of conspiracy nut

There are a tremendous amount of people who have just been fed the same compounding stuff on YouTube or wherever based on their previous clicks. There's a difference between considering the nature of X with a way to validate or think about it, and simply having watched a netflix documentary while high on acid. The latter of which become conspiracy nuts, and they're really draining to listen to, probably as much as bi…

That's the nature of the internet and decentralized information sources.

The vast majority of people are consuming propaganda or crazy shit (MSM and conspiracy theories) but don't know how to filter the info to find a narrative that most accurately represents reality.

Because of this, the mainstream media will ALWAYS be able to dismiss strawman arguments and label dissidents as conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists will also ALWAYS be able to poke holes in the propaganda and spin convincing alternate narratives.

In any valid disagreement with the popular narrative, you WILL find conspiracy theorists.

One caveat to this situation is that IF the mainstream institutions were able to rebuild trust (by telling the truth), then you would have far less people poking holes in their narratives and therefore fewer conspiracy theories. So, I don't get angry at conspiracy theorists because I understand that they're created by a lying state and media - they're canaries not a cancer.

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Post by TchoBeer »

astrange wrote: post #280
TchoBeer wrote: post #129

Is this paper peer-reviewed?

Most published results are false even after peer review. It's not actually a very effective process.

That's irrelevant to my question, which merely asked if it was peer reviewed or not. I think it was not, seeing where it was published.

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Post by mbg721 »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #289
joshuahughes wrote: post #20

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Sounds uncomfortably like coercion...

The government specialises in coercion. Pay your taxes or you'll be fined. Pay your fines or we'll throw you in a cage. It's time to fight guys from that country or we'll throw you in a cage. Obey our rules or we'll throw you in a cage. I hope if something good comes up out of covid, it will be people realising that and vote for limiting government's power.

That outcome seems unlikely in the US in the near term, given how neatly people's opinions on COVID restrictions lined up with their existing politics. The lesson that seems to be sticking is that it feels great to have the full weight of public institutions on your side of the culture war, so win at all costs.

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Post by cuchoi »

shitgoose wrote: post #141
cuchoi wrote: post #110

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What made you 99.99% before reading this? I have seen plenty of experts saying that they don't know how long immunity will last. Anecdotal data: my wife and I got COVID twice 9 months apart last year. The second time my wife ended up in the hospital.

Aren't pcr tests notoriously unreliable? Maybe you didn't have it first time?

Had the same symptoms both times (dry cough for 5 weeks, using inhalator, loss of smell, etc.). It could have been a very a flu very similar to COVID at the exact time NYC was locking down due to COVID?

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Post by cuchoi »

colordrops wrote: post #168
cuchoi wrote: post #109

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My wife and I got COVID twice 9 months apart last year. The second time my wife ended up in the hospital. We both got vaccinated as soon as we could.

Re-infection is very rare, so the chance that it happened to two people in the same household is extremely rare. Are you certain you were infected with covid both times?

Not certain, but the second time we had a positive PCR test to confirm. The first time, there were no tests in NYC but close contacts had it and we had the same exact symptoms (which are not similar no any other flu/disease we have had).

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Post by cuchoi »

gretch wrote: post #118
cuchoi wrote: post #109

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My wife and I got COVID twice 9 months apart last year. The second time my wife ended up in the hospital. We both got vaccinated as soon as we could.

Wow really? Do you have positive test results that document the sequence of events? If so you should probably email these researchers or something. Bet they would be interested

The second time we had a positive PCR test to confirm. The first time, there were no tests in NYC but people I worked with had it confirmed and we had the same exact symptoms (which are not similar no any other flu/disease we have had).

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Post by cuchoi »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #277
pama wrote: post #138

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There is already a decent understanding of documented reinfections. The first such cases came out a year ago, e.g.: https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200406006700320 , or https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-doctor-reinfect... By the end of last summer there were clear documented cases with secondary infection from a different viral strain than the original one, e.g: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstr…

While I agree reinfections are likely to exist in small numbers, the tests we're using are often not great so it's hard to say whether those were covid or something else. This year I've been heavily sick several times (and the flu almost never caused me all this pain before in my life) and it was never covid. If one of the test returned a false positive I would have been convinced it was covid. If I actually got covi…

PCR tests are more likely to give you a false negative than a false positive.

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Post by calvano915 »

jswny wrote: post #320
cdolan wrote: post #164

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Fear is one hell of a drug. But really, I think many people are laser focused on not just minimizing risk of COVID, but now trying to zero out COVID risk, that having any reason to delay receipt of a vaccine isn't a pre-existing medical condition is considered a form of aggression. At some point we transitioned from "bend the curve" to "eradicate the virus", and this seems like a byproduct of that mental shift.

Why would you not want to eradicate Covid?

Obviously we can and maybe should, but at what costs in order to do so? Are there better infectious diseases to invest in and focus on instead?

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Post by Causality1 »

ping_pong wrote: post #217
Causality1 wrote: post #174

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I caught it from sharing a thirty minute meal with an in-law who didn't divulge that she had attended a party and had woken up coughing that day.

Was she coughing when you met her, or had that symptom subsided?

She began coughing again right before she left. That was enough.

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Post by waterside81 »

switch007 wrote: post #284
waterside81 wrote: post #70

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Hey I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing, how do you think you got it? Throughout this whole pandemic, I'm still kind of amazed how people are getting it

Why exactly are you amazed? Because of the vaccine rollout progress, or people going out and living their lives?

For those fortunate to be able to work from home during this pandemic, as I'll guess most on HN can & do, I'm very curious how they're getting it assuming they:

a) Just go to the store and back wearing a mask while indoors b) Spend most of their leisure time outdoors - because what else can you do?

I haven't been holed up this whole time. I'm outside multiple times every day (dog walks, kids playground etc.) and I don't know anyone who works in a factory, meat processing plant, hospital etc. hence my curiosity how people think they're getting it.

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