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Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Does anyone find it funny that each criminal group could have been better off relying on a "kid who knows computers" level of expertise and bog standard devices running open source software which at least wouldn't be trivially systematically turned against them all at once quite so easily.

People do. Lots of people.

These ones, who were busted, are greedy violent thugs. They do not know who to trust because they are untrustworthy.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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How would this be any different to creating a global back door in signal, wikr or slack?

The main difference is that by building their own honey pot, they did not have to rely on an external actor to maintain any secrecy. If they dug their claws into wikr, they'd have to worry about leaks from every single person involved with wikr on top of all potential leaks from law enforcement personnel. Also, I suspect it's easier to get the warrants needed to create a sting from the ground up than it is for severa…

What I mean is they’re effectively breaching the privacy of any perfectly legit users. They’ve done this in the past with stuff like mobile tower spoofing. Why is this ok, and mobile spoofing not, ethically?

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Does anyone find it funny that each criminal group could have been better off relying on a "kid who knows computers" level of expertise and bog standard devices running open source software which at least wouldn't be trivially systematically turned against them all at once quite so easily.

I wonder about this too. What sort of people do international criminal organisations hire to manage their info-sec? A criminal that became a computer expert or a computer expert that became a criminal?

"Organised crime" is a bit of a oxymoron.

These people are organised in that they make deals with each other in friend networks. But the people involved are not the sharpest knives in the draw. They get their positions via violence and intimidation more than cunning and planning.

There are cleaver crooks, but we do not often hear from them. A lot of them work at Wall Street, which contains the biggest and most profitable criminal gangs

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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What? Representing criminals is not unethical or 'immoral'. Period. Protecting criminals legally is not unethical unless you are knowingly doing something illegal yourself. I imagine that most layers are just doing their job and getting paid for it. Bringing morality into that equation makes no sense in a legal system that has little to nothing to do with morality.

You don’t get to declare what is unethical by adding the sentence “Period.” after your claim. Ethics is a matter of opinion; I believe that knowingly aiding violent criminals is wrong; if you feel otherwise, that’s just like, your, opinion, man.

Lawyers have a code of ethics. Written down and codified. Not a matter of opinion.

You are thinking of morals. That is a matter of opinion

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Scotland has an entirely distinct legal system with a single unified police agency (with it's own serious and organised crime division). There has never been a connection between the legal system in Scotland and that of England and Wales. Scots laws are primarily passed by the independent Scottish Parliament with only a small number of matters reserved for the UK Parliament in London which passes distinct statutory i…

To save everyone a google, the etymology of scot free is not based in Scottish juries. The phrase in its oldest form literally refers to getting away without paying tax. Scot is cognate with the Danish (Scandinavian) word skat which means both tax and treasure - the latter meaning incidently being why it can be used as a term of endearment. This later was broadened to mean getting away without any punishment. I could…

For those interested in what the gp could be referring to: There is a Wikipedia article and other sources on the "not proven" verdict of Scottish juries which was/is in practice an acquittal. It's apparently still used in roughly 1/3rd of cases. There is a list of significant cases for which the verdict was used, though none seem to be related to political protest.

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Fun.. I guess that's one way to figure out if someone is guilty or not. Either he's innocent and nothing happens or he's guilty and he dies or flips. The whole side stepping the judge/jury to go straight to the executioner part seems like it should violate some kind of law.

I think it is more accurate to say that this is simply a risk of engaging in activities with people who will kill you if they think you will tell the truth.

Yea.. I can see some people thinking that, but that sentiment kind of goes against the rule of law. If all of the criminals committed crimes that everyone agreed should be punishable by death I could see it being more acceptable, but if these are lesser crimes that wouldn't be punishable by death but where the individual could be killed by other criminals that believe them to be a snitch, having law enforcement risk a person's life seems to go against the rule of law.

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What the fuck is wrong with you.

I think this comment is unnecessarily hostile. OP is not offering to build services; he's just asking. It's a valid question. Did you know ISIS had what amounts to an "HR department" ? https://en.zamanalwsl.net/news/article/23994/

Oh boohoo. Calling out a completely immoral business idea isn’t hostile. It’s moral.

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Especially VPN services that got acquired, like Private Internet Access, acquired by what many people describe to be a malware company.

Wait, what? What did I miss?

It was acquired by Kape Technologies, which used to go by the name of Crossrider and has a sketchy history

https://hiddenrouter.com/private-internet-access-vpn-to-be-a...

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>> It seems like kind of an evil move for law enforcement to put a target on his back like that. This is actually a very old method of getting criminals to cooperate with law enforcement. The FBI used to do this with mob guys all the time in the 1980's. Show up, arrest them publicly, put out false newspaper articles saying he was close to flipping. He starts getting heat from the outfit and sooner or later, distrust…

Fun.. I guess that's one way to figure out if someone is guilty or not. Either he's innocent and nothing happens or he's guilty and he dies or flips. The whole side stepping the judge/jury to go straight to the executioner part seems like it should violate some kind of law.

But he's not innocent, you missing the boat here jimmy ?
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