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Putting people in prison for years
Letting people out of prison so they can kill some more.
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Sometimes rights conflict with one another.
Which civil right is diminished by someone's offensive speech?
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Sometimes rights conflict with one another.
Which civil right is diminished by someone's offensive speech?
The overall tone of the comments here seems to regard speech as an obvious, unadulterated good. I think the reality is actually much more complex.
I like this idea: https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1401610476237197312 The ACLU should split into two groups: ACLU Sr, which fights for free speech rights, and ACLU Jr, which fights against them (Yes, I saw this when PG retweeted it.)
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Or Anti-Defamation League.
Citation / explanation needed. ADL's stated mission is "To stop the defamation of the Jewish people, and to secure justice and fair treatment to all..." It seems like the ADL has legitimate work it can be doing, unless you think Jews and all people are treated fairly. I don't think you're saying that, and I do think you're saying it's not doing the work that it could be doing. Could you say more about that? "Of the 1…
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Let's substitute into your sentence, a statement I feel is equivalent (please let me know if you think it's an unfair characterization): "Any government regulation of speech or published material is destructive to free society." Hopefully you immediately think of exceptions: illicit pornography, fire in a theater, ingredient labels/active ingredient listings, directly false marketing, misrepresenting contracts, direc…
> Reasonable people can come to different conclusions on what it means for speech to be "free", what counts as speech, what context around the speech matters, and what entities should get "free speech" protection. This is why it is encoded as an absolute, so that one’s perspective on what is reasonable or not is irrelevant. If speech causes harm that person can be sued for harm in a civil case. But the government sha…
Fighting words, credible threats... These topics can't just be hand waved when discussing whether the ACLU should be fighting for the rights of Nazis to spout hate. Civil lawsuits are rarely even redress as most people can't afford a lawyer to just go around sueing people, even when the cases are egregious. And I don't think anyone wants a world where the ACLU is the unofficial 4th branch of government.
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Ok, I'll play your game. Political enemies (in China, the USSR, other historic Eastern European states, Turkey.. maybe you'd prefer MLK as an example) are denied the right to life on the basis of their speech. So if they fight for the right to not be sent to gulags (from which many did not return) on the basis of speech, you consider this an expression of "luxury"? And do you think free speech might help fighting for…
Are you playing my "game"? My question is pretty simple: what's a more fundamental right, life, or speech? Which one would you select if you could only select one? Which one is it possible to have without the other? You simply cannot exercise free speech without life, you cannot fight for free speech if you are not alive. Free speech is totally dependent on existence.
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Note how you have just did exactly what you criticized ( “silence legitimate criticism of others” by dismissing those that called out cancel culture)
Cancel culture is not responding to an argument with counter-argument. Cancel culture is responding to an argument with an effort to personally destroy whoever dared to voice that argument, exclude them from the discussion and silence them. That's why it is "cancel" culture and not "debate" culture - you're not supposed to criticize somebody, you're supposed to end ("cancel") their presence in the society. In older,…
They've been accused of being racist and sexist for quite a few years. [1] is one example.
[1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-11/black-at...