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Loud motorbikes should be forbidden. Period.
Not loud cars?
Yes, definitely.
Yamaha MOTOROiD
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fwiw, in California it’s customary to do a day long motorcycle safety course in lieu of taking an on road test with the DMV, which is noted as having some aspects that are unusually difficult.
I did both, but the rules have changed since then. When I did the CA DMV motorcycle test it was super easy. Ride straight between two white lines, then around a full circle between the lines, then back between another set of lines - all you have to do is stay in the lines. Took all of about 1 minute. The trick was to use a small motorcycle, you need a 250cc or above for M1 so I borrowed a 250. Piece of cake.
I did it about 15 years ago, but I think this is what I was referring to - I had just purchased an SV650 and was told the test would be virtually impossible to do with the bike (and most bikes) due to some low speed maneuverability portion that was only feasible with the small cruisers they use in the safety schools.
My instructor claimed the DMV had done this on purpose to encourage people to take the safety course, how they can't force people to do one by law so this is how they got around it.
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wouldn't be an issue if the NYPD were interested in enforcing the law.
What do you want them to do? Between public sentiment right now and De Blasio and his bullshit, I'm surprised they haven't all quit by now.
I'd expect them to do their jobs and remain professional, and if they feel that they can no longer do that, then they should quit vs. petulantly refusing to do their jobs.
Public sentiment is the way it is because of rampant documented abuses of power, authority, and regression to childish, over simplistic views of their positions and responsibilities.
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#324I can’t wait for electric motorbikes to be more diverse and advanced. I used to be a “my loud exhaust helps me to be seen” kinda guy. Until one day, sat in standstill traffic in my car on the M74 motorway just outside Glasgow, a rider on a BMW S1000XR, with the same loud exhaust as on mine, filtered past the window and I didn’t hear him until he was level with my rear passenger door. Exhausts sound great, i love the…
> So, i’m fine with a silent electric bike from a safety point of view. The exhaust noise was a false comfort blanket that deserves no faith put in it as a device to be better seen on the road.
How many years have you ridden on the street, I can't count the amount of times I''ve been cut off but a blip on my SC project on a fireblade made people go back into their lane or at least made them aware of me lane splitting in just the last 5 months of riding street again in CA.
Maybe Ireland is different, but I think you have a better argument relying on automated cars saving you then no longer surviving due to a loud pipe.
Then again, Teslas seem to give way despite it's best in class monitoring system.
I'm pretty much over street riding a SS on the street is absurd because of the speeds and ositions you have to be in to ride it adequately to be responsive, so I can't derive much enjoyment of it to justify the risk.
Personally speaking if they decided to build a dedicated Motorcycle lane between at the very edge of the last lane I think that is the real solution, you don't need much more space to do it either.
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you heard the EV noise though? In France there are a lot of Renault Zoe around, and the noise is much softer, narrower band (which might help not mask vocal frequency band) than a gas engine. To be honest, I’m grateful, otherwise I’d cross in front of one as a pedestrian or cyclist. I’d even like to see the front of city buses with some noise since, with the engine in the back, you just hear them whoosh past whe…
It is good that safety is not being overlooked. My problem with it is in expecting us to get locked in to this particular answer to the problem, when cars are going to drive themselves more and more, with better awareness, etc. Maybe I should trust more that we'll also solve the coordination problem of switching to really quiet cars in the future.
I’m all for quiet cars. As a cyclist though I rely on at least tire noise to judge proximity of cars around. I’d guess that’s the noise floor for cars.
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the only asshole here is you. You can enjoy riding HD without being an asshole. Big engines are loud, they need to breathe. People like you are the ones who promote cancel culture. Anything that is of slight annoyance to you must be banned. No tolerance.
> Big engines are loud, they need to breathe Exactly. Motorcycle assholes should take their deafening fart sounds somewhere 20 miles away from human or animal habitation. Maybe to a desolate salt flat or something. The bikes that violate vehicular noise laws should be confiscated and scrapped at the owner’s expense, and their riders’ motorcycle licenses revoked. > slight annoyance Subjecting your innocent neighbors t…
No, we don't like them out in nature either.
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I owned ride 6-7 different motorcycles, and I believe there's a special place in hell for those who put on loud aftermarket exhausts. Sure, it sounds nice to them . It shows an astonishing disregard to thousands of other people they impact daily. Let alone your next 10 neighbour houses who put up with it on consistent basis. ... :O There's no increased safety factor - there's no real location or distance clue such lo…
I don't ride for you, I ride for me, and I love my loud exhausts. Don't like it? I don't care.
I mean, yes, we agree; what you are saying is you're an a*hole and you don't care. You wake babies, startle people, annoy thousands, anger others, cause negative emotions wherever you go, but that's the point and you love yourself some loud exhausts. The image you portray is exactly the image you want to portray and by all accounts accurate. To a certain degree, I suppose I should appreciate the warning, and as I said in a sister thread, I respect people who like yourself are open and upfront about being selfish bastards, over those who pretend (whether to others or even themselves) it's for safety or performance or some other nebulous rationalization :).
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
Homie, it has nothing to do with you or your work commute. Cyclists have every legal right to be on the road as a car and if a shoulder lane isn’t safe enough to cycle on then it’s safest and recommended and the law to take up a whole lane to ensure assholes like you don’t risk their safety/lives by trying to squeeze past them in the same lane. Best to just treat them as a car and try to practice patience.
But why would someone choose road cycling for exercise over running on a sidewalk? Road cycling is very expensive and inconveniences people.
Running on the sidewalk inconveniences people too.
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
I always assumed that the point of loud vehicles was to assert dominance by being an asshole. If people are annoyed and upset then it is working exactly as intended. You have provoked an emotion that fuels your ego and image of yourself as a bad ass that doesn't care about other people.
I don't have aftermarket pipes - but your post is clearly from perspective of someone who doesn't ride. Sound is an essential part of the riding thrill, riding my bike past 10k RPM gives me F1 sound and insane rush. I suspect riding an electric motorcycle would be much less thrilling that way and make me more aware that I'm on a suicide machine. I regularly get small children approach me on motorcycle and want to pul…
If you've ever supertucked on a road bike and broken the speed limit down a hill you'll see how little sound has to do with it.
Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
I owned ride 6-7 different motorcycles, and I believe there's a special place in hell for those who put on loud aftermarket exhausts. Sure, it sounds nice to them . It shows an astonishing disregard to thousands of other people they impact daily. Let alone your next 10 neighbour houses who put up with it on consistent basis. ... :O There's no increased safety factor - there's no real location or distance clue such lo…
I don't ride for you, I ride for me, and I love my loud exhausts. Don't like it? I don't care.
Please put your HN handle onto your biking leathers.
So if we come across you out on the road we'll know, "Oh, it's that arsehole".