Electric seems like a great idea for a truck in general. You need high torque and with electric drive you don't need to have an overpowered and inefficient engine to handle peak load. For long distance use better aerodynamics will be important in the long term and Ford isn't breaking any new ground here.
2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.
At $20/hour for a new F-250 rental, Home Depot has better options available. If people wanted to haul lumber, they probably wouldn't show up with a trailer attached, they would buy a truck with a 8 foot box.
Oh great. Then you return your rental and come back home and realize you need to buy more of some heavy large item. Fantastic.
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.
At $20/hour for a new F-250 rental, Home Depot has better options available. If people wanted to haul lumber, they probably wouldn't show up with a trailer attached, they would buy a truck with a 8 foot box.
You go rent an F-250 from Home Depot and let me know how that goes.
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#324I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…
Ford also hasn't sold that many EVs (yet), so it's still eligible for the US $7500 federal tax rebate (unlike Tesla). (BTW: It seems like such an arbitrary and ultimately bad decision to cap rebates by manufacturer. Rebate caps for expensive luxury cars? Sure. But penalize a manufacturer for making _too many_ of the thing you're incentivizing doesn't seem right).
You're not penalizing anybody, you're adding a temporary incentive to get the manufacturer up to speed. Once they're selling enough, they don't need to incentivize people to buy them.
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#325I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…
> significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo Those are weasel words unless you can back them up with data. Ford sells over a million pickups a year, and they're just a third of that market. There's no way to get an audience this large by going for machismo, pickups sell because they have broad appeal.
It is a bit insulting but I suspect many people have enough experience with this that its a bit of a gut reaction. I know a lot of big ego people, they all drive trucks. I've been flipped off by drivers of all vehicles, but only run off the road by trucks, usually for very trivial things. because you know, getting into someone elses lane is effectively a challenge to their manhood, and they better make a point about it less they lose their social standing. That's not the actual thoughts in their heads, but it is their reaction. Trucks are _also_ comfortable, convenient, and all those other things, which is _also_ crucial. But I just can't imagine any of these big ego people driving a small car (and yes, more than a few have explicitly said as much).
At any rate, what exactly would objective supporting data look like here?
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with the rest, but I'm pretty skeptical of this claim: > Switching our road transport to electric will probably save more children, and the adults they will become, from a lifetime of lung problems and premature death from pollution than better pedestrian safety features ever will. Do you (or anyone) have order-of-magnitude estimates for either/both of these figures? I mean, electrification in general is grea…
Here are some stats on fossil fuel deaths in general https://youtu.be/Jzfpyo-q-RM?t=355 On average in the US, the CO2 output required to power an electric vehicle is 1/3 of an ICE vehicle. So theoretically this would translate to less deaths as bb123 suggests, but hard to compare to direct pedestrian deaths. (Yes there are some logical gaps as ICE C02 output is a very low percentage of total fossil fuel output).
Remember the emissions to manufacture the vehicle... they're higher for EVs. Lifecycle emissions for EVs therefore aren't much lower than ICE.
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.
yeah show me where you can buy a ups delivery van type vehicle lol
It’s called a Ford Transit.
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#328There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…
Pickups are convenient any many (probably most) owners have them for good reasons, but living in a Midwestern city I run into so many "bad" pickup drivers it's hard not to get frustrated with them generally.
A lot of people around here have big, tall pickups with tiny beds that they drive very aggressively. They rarely use them for anything I couldn't put in my Fit (I've known several people who would never haul dirt or the like because they don't want the truck to get dirty). Many modern pickups have a high front grill that is dangerous for pedestrians and designed to be intimidating. It sucks to constantly run into trucks like that being driving fast and aggressively when I'm just trying to walk to the store.
I know that's a minority of trucks, but the worst cars by me are invariably pickups and it's hard not to generalize it.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.
yeah show me where you can buy a ups delivery van type vehicle lol
Same place UPS does: https://morganolson.com/products/parcel/
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#330There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…
None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.
You can fit a surprising amount of 8' lumber in a small car. Full sheets of plywood or drywall on the other hand is another story.
Pick-ups are also useful for larger furniture and machinery, but don't discount thr carrying capacity of a car just because it's a car.